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The Holy Grail... Errr...Grails?

01/07/2008 11:18 AM

It seems that every branch of science has that one pesky question. That one question that would change the world. That one question that would alter the very existence of humankind.

From a thinking plant, a missing link, biblical shipwrecks, faster than C , extra terrestrial life, anti-G to free energy and more. (from A-nthropology to Z-oology)

Aside from and including E.T. (in any form) what would help the Human Experience the greatest? What is the most frightening? What would you like to see finally proved or disproved empirically? Where are we close? Where are we spinning our gears?

What is the Holy Grail of these scientific ponderings?

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01/07/2008 12:19 PM

I'd like to see proven:

  • My dog really does understand me when I tell her to leave the cat alone, but is simply choosing to ignore my command.
  • That Amelia Earhart faked the whole thing and really did work incognito at my local florist back in 1959. I mean...it was HER! Nobody believes me.
  • That life is merely a long commercial interruption in the middle of a much better show.

I'd like to see disproven:

  • The existence of the reported sport of curling.
  • That ladies some 25 years my junior don't find me irresistably alluring.
  • Dark matter. Because how do you clean it off your things??
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01/07/2008 12:23 PM

Haa! Good luck with that.

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01/07/2008 12:58 PM

The existence of God? Too many good men and women have died and will die for their faith.

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01/07/2008 1:52 PM

Ah no the G word....

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01/07/2008 2:14 PM

(from A-nthropology to Z-oology)

He Asked!!!

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01/07/2008 3:24 PM

Yup. We made it three posts 'til He arrived.

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01/08/2008 3:07 PM

Yas, but the arrival was understated, and couched in terms that even I could not argue with. Far too many HAVE died due to the yes/no...

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01/07/2008 1:23 PM

The scariest thing I could think of would be waking up and seeing my girlfriend wearing a Hillary mask.

No! I take that back. It would be scarier is wasn't a mask. ;-)

I think we spin our gears most when sitting on barstools in bars

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01/07/2008 1:53 PM

When you get to my age she don't look so bad.... I do like intelligent, powerful women (just ask Mrs Cat )

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01/08/2008 3:21 AM

Ah yes, but remember, God's don't kill people, people with God's kill people....

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01/07/2008 2:21 PM

I think the thing that would most improve the human experience, and also be the scariest would be a kind of TV thingy that you could tune to any time and place.

Then we'd be able to get to the truth of everything.


If not that, maybe some kind of genetically engineered built into your brain spell checker.

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01/08/2008 8:47 AM

You mean like in Pastwatch by Orson Scott Card? (good book)

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01/07/2008 3:16 PM

The existence, and address of "Murphy", so we can all give him a good thrashing.

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01/07/2008 4:25 PM

If we make him mad more things will be messed up.

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01/08/2008 10:00 AM

Point taken.

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01/07/2008 11:32 PM

Spinning Gears: continuing to drive 3 ton SUVs to move 150# while believing that the next great thing in energy (biodiesel, H2, corn ethanol, grass ethanol, great batteries) will make that any less nonsensical.

The Saddest Gear Spinning: Jim believing his religion better than Joe's... and fighting to prove it. Killing others to demonstrate that "Thou shalt not kill."

Solutions: My daughter said that people simply need to communicate far more. If we had 1 million kids in the US actively communicating with 1 million kids in Iraq, would the dad's of those kids have bombed Iraq? Many of us in the US now have friends from Russia and China... and gosh golly, they are not really the monsters we were told they were.

Another solution: Cell phones that explode when patently rude usage is detected.

Technology: are we happier now than we were in 1959? Are we better people than we were in 1959?

The Holy Grail of Scientific Ponderings: It remains, for me, the theory of everything. But maybe I should resign myself to the fact that there is no simple theory: things really are the hideously complicated lunatic mess that they appear to be. Perhaps we will continue to chip away at understanding how things work for next thousand years, by which time we will have discovered a whole new list of things we don't understand.

Can science understand human will? We can feed the world -- easily -- but we don't. We could say no to war, but we won't. If science could simply make us get along and enjoy one another's company, all the rest is fluff.

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01/08/2008 12:15 AM

I applaud and agree without reservation.

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Well said.

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01/08/2008 10:06 AM

I would say that, yes - we are better people than we were in 1959. The trick is to make sure that we're even better people in 2059.

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01/08/2008 10:22 AM

To be still living in 2059 is a pre-requisite for that.....

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I'll only be 102.

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89 baby!

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01/09/2008 4:43 AM

1958 was a very good year.....

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"If we had 1 million kids in the US actively communicating with 1 million kids in Iraq, would the dad's of those kids have bombed Iraq? Many of us in the US now have friends from Russia and China... and gosh golly, they are not really the monsters we were told they were."

You got that right. The political forces are the problem.

A number of NGOs are attempting to foster the involvement and interaction of children in the development of their projects. This can be readily undertaken in our societies now that communications are readily available and rapid by the internet. In some cases, groups of HS students from one country travel to another country to assist in aid operations (eg: water well drilling or purification system set up). They meet the local children, form bonds and can email each other. If video equipment is available, real time videos acan be sent back home. A great way to build bridges between peoples in the next generation. [Another point is that where children are involved, the work will get done somehow, even if they are not youir own]

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01/14/2008 9:12 AM

And those same children will grow up to be the village headman, the matriarch of the clan, the senior editor of the newspaper, an industrial CEO, the President, a general in the army, or some other influential position. And having been influenced toward what most would regard as "goodness" as children, will hopefully retain the lesson as adults weilding that influence. It's in our best interest to support this, is it not?

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Excellent answer!! I agree completely.

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01/07/2008 11:47 PM

Hello C_Rummel3,

Two simple things:

  1. The final Prime Number, after which there is no further Prime Number
  2. The exact and final decimal place for the Greek number pi (Π), where a repeating series finally shows up.

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That seems lame.

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01/08/2008 12:35 AM

Hello C_Rummel3,

I could have written something quite complex, but those two problems are complex enough for now.

When they are solved, I shall add further.

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That's because (no offense intended) you don't understand the ramifications of the potential answers...

(you can look the graphic up...)

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01/08/2008 6:34 PM

Trust me none taken.

And I thought a good long while about it after I posted my response. It became more clear to me as I pondered a bit. But again, not my #1.

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01/08/2008 2:25 AM

It is hard to think of two less useful things.... (Maybe the factory floor manager where I work...)

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01/08/2008 3:52 AM

1. The number 2.3.4.5.6.7...∞ - 1 is a prime and in fact is the last one. So your number is: ∞!-1

2. The last digit is 0: you can add as many 0's at the end of the fractional part of a number as your heart desires.

Moreover, from literature, we already know that the ultimate answer about Universe, Life and Everything is 42.

I cannot see what else is left for the mankind to discover...

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01/12/2008 8:14 AM

Gordon Brown has left me feeling numbed on many occasions. I doubt he will be the last though. If we ever see a mushroom cloud we may have an answer on this one.

Pi has many repeating sequences, they are simply buried within it's ongoing number-ness.

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For myself, the most frightening event would be a supernova of a "near" star. We Earthlings could do little to save the planet. If we went underground, all life and vegetation on the surface would be destroyed, perhaps the atmosphere and all water would be lost. For the most helpful, I would love to see all mankind live together peacefully. Accept one's religion and learn to live and let live, with other's religions. No more wars, religious Jihads or Crusades, Jews vs. Arabs, accept each other as brothers and sisters all over the world. Think of the money that would save, and what we could do with it for medical research, education, finding new fuels, eliminating poverty everywhere,etc. How much money has been spent in Iraq in the past 15 years or so? How much fighting terrorists? What could we accomplish with a cash account of $ 100 Billion a year? Fuel savings by the stood-down military all over the world? No more beheadings of innocents, including babies, children, women. A United Nations that works for all people! Solve disagreements peacefully!

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AMEN!!!

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01/08/2008 4:03 PM

Accept one's religion and learn to live and let live

Which "ones" religion?

No more wars, religious Jihads or Crusades

A religious Jihad is to kill all those that do not believe as I do...

YES - I Agree 100%!!

but due to the nature of mankind, it is not possible.

For me there are a few "realistic" possibilities:

1) Cure for cancer

2) Cure for worldwide hunger (I know, nature of mankind)

3) Cure for energy consumption (the belief that we need energy to survive - how do you suppose the egytians or the aztecs built what they built - I'll bet their fuel bill was high

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3) Cure for energy consumption (the belief that we need energy to survive - how do you suppose the egytians or the aztecs built what they built - I'll bet their fuel bill was high

Dude! Seriously? They had the freakin' energy crystal. Duh! The one that is now in Fort Knox.

Get with the program man!

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01/08/2008 12:45 PM

For many years, I have thought it would be interesting to see an international consortium to discuss UFO investigations still hidden deep within government(s) archives.

I've seen strange things in the night sky, my parents were with me,,,several world leaders have also..

Is there a threat? Not likely. Would have happened already, in my opinion...

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01/08/2008 3:21 PM

So the truth is out there, and you want to believe... I too, have seen odd lights, with other witnesses, all sober, all reliable, on two occasions. But there is no likely place for "them" to have come from... Dang it!

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01/08/2008 3:32 PM

The best to be empirically proven: to see evolution in action. At least a better explanation for this little guy...

The most frightening: nuclear war (we can't prevent a near supernova, this we could).

The greatest help: to be able to distribute the necessities of life (food, water, etc.) equitably.

Where close? - not a clue - too many "others" have competing agendas.

Where spinning gears? Those "others'" agendas. We need to recognize that we are a species with variations, not a collection of "races" or ethnicities.

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01/08/2008 8:27 PM

What is the Holy Grail of these scientific ponderings?

Could it be in the hands of the Intellectual Property gate keepers if it exists at all? The ones controlling the Invention and Ideas market have the key to the holy grail. At least that is my point of view.

It seems that every branch of science has that one pesky question.

Is Intellectual Property Law a science?

It seems to be the ruler of the world with out proof of concept. I hope IP would die a bit faster so to free up real progress in real time. Every branch of science, be it weapons or organically modified food, is at the mercy of patent holders or their legal representatives.

I would like it to be proven that we are the intelligent animal we think we are. Our short history proves that we should rather call our selves a bunch of idiots. Wasting a planet the way we are is not very smart, is it? In every branch of science.

We can all see it happening. Not only in the physical realm but in our patterns of behaviour. The laws are all there but only a few obey them. Some even over step them blatantly and are not pulled into line. In every branch of science. I am generalizing again.

I wish I could change at top speed, to keep up with the "progress".

Friedrich Nietzsche would be a nice companion today. If any of the "Gods" wanted to join in I'd make the cuppa. Rule all you good people. Rule!

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01/09/2008 9:40 AM

Right (unfortunately) you are, in every branch of science including even mathematics... Copy, expand, and enjoy, though...

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Re: The Holy Grail... Errr...Grails?

01/09/2008 4:22 PM

Done.

I enjoyed it so much it should go on for ever..... Ahh! it does!

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