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Power Supply?

01/08/2008 9:36 AM

I am building a large slot car track at home and would like to build my own power supply. I need a variable 0-30VDC 10A supply. Can anyone give me some advice on component selection? I was thinking of buying a toroidal transformer because I can get good current out of it. Use a bridge rectifier to get DC and put in a cap to smooth it out. Is it better to vary the AC on the input or use a high wattage rheostat or something similar on the DC output side to give me variability? Or is there an even better or simpler way of doing this? Power supplies that I have found with these parameters run from $150 to $500 and I was thinking I could build my own for cheaper. Any and all suggestions appreciated. Thank you.

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01/08/2008 10:53 AM

How 'bout a VARIAC, a step down transformer, and a bridge? Smoothing caps aren't really practical for 10 Amps, but they won't hurt. Motors really don't care much about perfect DC, 'cause their mechanical momentum (flywheel effect) takes 'em through voltage variations like it didn't even vary.

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01/08/2008 2:33 PM

Variacs are pretty expensive aren't they? I'm trying to keep the cost down. I have a power supply I got from work that is 24VDC 12A that will work, I just need to make it variable. I think that would require a 300W device which is also costly. Any thoughts on making my current supply variable?

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01/09/2008 8:31 AM

See if you can get one of these kits from Jaycar electronics it will handle 30 volts and up to 40 amps if you fit the extra mosfet or a single mosfet with large enough ratings.

Just wire it in front of your 24 volt 12amp power supply and away you go piece of cake



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01/09/2008 3:14 PM

I looked it up online and it looks ideal. I can use my 24VDC power supply and build one of these circuits at every drivers station allowing each person to set there own voltage. For a race, all would have to be set the same. For the kids, I can wire in a switch that will throw between the variable resistor and a set value. I would rather have one control device for all 4 lanes, but varying the 24VDC 12A needs a higher wattage device costing more than 4 smaller independant circuits. At least those have been my findings so far.

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01/08/2008 12:00 PM

Torroidal transformers are nice, but for this application, overkill. A regular old style transformer maybe a little larger for the same power output, but a lot cheaper.

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01/08/2008 3:42 PM

If you want cheap...maybe you could try something real dirty but cheap (and I know you guys like it real dirty and cheap )...like a light dimmer on the input to the transformer?... the wattages are probably ok...It may just 'not work' I've never tried it .. I'm sure someone here will have tried it.

The 'proper' way to do it would be to pulse width modulate your DC output.

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01/08/2008 9:13 PM

You know what I would try...

Go get an old 1/2 HP AC motor. Get one of the many cheap triac speed pots. Get an old DC PM motor. Couple the shafts. Speed it up and see what you get. Might be a fun Saturday project.

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01/08/2008 9:58 PM

I have used KepCo on numerous projects. Very flexible and reliable products.

Try this link- I do not know if their pricing is cheaper than what you have found elsewhere (I just spec them-manufacturing purchases them)

http://www.kepcopower.com/rkwp.htm

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01/09/2008 12:15 AM

Are you sure you need that high of a voltage and current capacity?

I'm running slot cars too. The HO size work well on just 18 volts. The older T-jets with pancake motors needed higher voltage to really fly but its actually harmful to them. The newer style with horizontal motors needed LESS voltage and still flew.

Try a 24 volt transformer with at least a 75 VA rating, or parallel ( 2 ) standard 50 VA transformers and then rectify it with a 5 amp rated fullwave bridge. You can go to any air-conditioning contractor and ask them for a used transformer or two or three. They throw them away all the time, they're in every piece of equipment. These transformers actually produce 26 - 28 volts unless you load them heavy.

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01/09/2008 9:01 AM

Those specs were recommended to me by other racers, so I just used those numbers. I'm going to use a 24VDC 12A supply that I can get all the parts to here at work for cheap. I just want to make sure I can lower the voltage for my 4 kids. As for current, I'm using one supply with multiple power taps to the track and I wat to have "plenty" of power everywhere on the track with 4 cars running. Yea it's overkill, but at least it's not too little and I have to go bigger in the future.

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01/09/2008 12:16 PM

Can't offer much practical advice, since I've been away from the hobby for...mumble, mumble...years. But not so long that I don't remember enuff to second you on the overkill. Far and away better than UNDERkill! Besides, the previous posts provided more than enough ways to make 'em go roundy-round!

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01/09/2008 5:53 PM

LM317 voltage reg with 3055 transistor w/heatsink (to boost I) good for 1.2-37V 15A very common circuit free plans all over in internet should be able to build it for under 5$ w/o transformer

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01/09/2008 6:42 PM

Thanks, I'll look into it.

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01/10/2008 11:16 AM

I'm having a hard time finding anything linking these 2 devices, might you be able to supply a link? Thank you.

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