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Grounding, Bonding, Solvent mixing

01/31/2008 7:52 AM

I am constructing a mixing room for a solvent based mixture. The room will have 15 air changes an hour, will have explosion proof wiring, electrical boxes that are not explosion proof will be purged and electrically interlocked with pressure switches. The ceiling is designed to blow up and out for safety. I hope I am not missing something.

The next issue is sizing the grounding bar or cable to run the perimeter of the room. All mixing vessels will be grounded and have bonding straps connected for dispensing the liquids. Copper buss bars are very expensive so I am trying to do this safely and economically. How do I size the wire for the room or where can I find the appropriate information. Additionally I currently have a lot of excess copper piping that I could use as a conductor or can I use a water line that I have grounded to our existing grounding system.

Any help is appreciated I have a February deadline.

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Re: Grounding, Bonding, Solvent mixing

01/31/2008 9:13 AM

Aaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!

There is no such thing as 'explosion proof wiring'! The techniques used to ensure the safety of electrical circuits in potentially explosive atmospheres are outlined here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_Equipment_in_Hazardous_Areas

<...The ceiling is designed to blow up and out for safety...>

This is not required by any code, and may invoke an additional hazard to those outside the room. Any potentially explosive atmosphere within the room needs to be small, an abnormal occurrence, and of short duration, and would result in an electrical classification of Zone 2. If it results otherwise, i.e. Zone 1, then there is a containment problem, and please be advised that the Health & Safety Executive has been known to invoke prosecution proceedings in the UK for an employer allowing staff to be present within those Zone 1s: "a flammable gas/air mixture is present under normal operations for short durations". This is the sort of thing that would blow the roof off, and, potentially, kill room occupants and passers-by. Alarm bells are ringing loudly in this part of the world.

<...I hope I am not missing something....>

This area of work does not embrace the luxury of hope! It is highly advisable to consult an experienced Electrical Engineer locally at the earliest opportunity to assess whether the installation is up-to-code and make appropriate adjustments to bring it to that point.

<...How do I size the [ground/earth] wire for the room or where can I find the appropriate information....>

The Institution of Electrical Engineers publishes and maintains the Wiring Regulations. Full guidance can be found within its pages. Any equipotential ground/earth conductor will have a cross-sectional area certainly no smaller than the largest conductor of any circuit feeding the room. Local standards and the desire for sufficient mechanical strength may impose more stringent requirements that involve fitting bigger conductors. Are these standards not to hand (good grief!) for guidance?

<....Additionally I currently have a lot of excess copper piping that I could use as a conductor or can I use a water line that I have grounded to our existing grounding system....>

There are now a lot of safety alarm bells going off in this part of the world! It would be highly advisable to consult an apprpriately-experienced Electrical Engineer at the earliest opportunity to assess whether the installation is up-to-code.

<...Copper buss bars are very expensive....>

The risks and costs of defending personal and corporate prosecution, loss of production from the demolished facility, the costs of reinstatement of the facility and the costs of compensations to persons affected by disregarding correct installation practice in this room would far outweigh the cost of a few metres of copper and the time taken to produce an installation that is up-to-code!

<...Any help is appreciated I have a February deadline....>

To do what? To complete an installation that is inherently capable of causing an explosion and killing someone?

Appropriate local technical advice is needed TODAY!

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01/31/2008 10:11 AM

I second everything PW has written.

I used to live not far from a pharma plant that made syringes and had an accumulation of dust from polyethylene anti-stick agent. The plant, much cleaner than many, blew up from this dust in aerosol form. A roof that blows up and out is no protection.

I assume you are providing controls for static discharges, and are not venting the VOCs from this operation to atmosphere.

Unless you have a strong desire to make national news, this is the kind of installation that should be designed by someone with extensive experience in the safety and environmental issues involved.

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01/31/2008 9:34 AM

WOW, I cannot believe that you would attempt to design something so dangerous. I agree with the previous poster because MOST everybody is not capable to design such an area. YOU CANNOT DO SUCH A TASK ON THE CHEAP, nor can it be done in a few days.

I would also like to add that you should seek the assistance of a well qualified electrical contractor (one that specializes in Hazardous Areas). Having worked in a project management capacity I have come to realize that although most Licensed Engineers are quite brilliant, they are lacking in extensive electrical code knowledge (this statement may not be true of Engineers worldwide, but it seems true in Sacramento California).

You cannot purge electrical boxes with air in lieu of using the proper explosion proof fittings.

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02/01/2008 11:18 AM

BE CERTAIN YOUR CONTRACTOR AND ENGINEER ARE BONDED WITH ENOUGH FINANCIAL CLOUT TO COVER YOUR POTENTIAL "BOOM".

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Re: Grounding, Bonding, Solvent mixing

01/31/2008 11:41 AM

I agree with all the responses above - IN SPADES. There's a lot more to this type of environment and wiring than can be gleaned by reading a book or two. This is definitely one of those situations where a little knowledge is dangerous. In this case very dangerous. In the long run, even without any accidents, the proposed construction and "protection" will probably cost more than doing it right the first time. Consider - you go through all this construction and wiring, call in the building and electrical inspectors, they make you tear it all out, then you call in the qualified people and they do it right. You basically take twice as long and pay twice as much.

Stop right now and call in qualified people !

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01/31/2008 10:51 PM

It is not clear from your post what the purpose of connecting the mixing vessels to the copper bus is. If the issue is an electrical fault, then the bus bar must be able to take the full fault current without heating or arcing so as not to cause an explosion in the explosive atmosphere. If however the purpose is simply a static drain to bleed off tribolelectric charge resulting from the solvent pouring into the vessel, then the resistance can be thousands of Ohms and still work so that the "bus bar" can be any wire run around the room and run to facility ground, without regard for wire gauge, except for structural integrity - you don't want to use AWG 22 and risk it being snapped or otherwise broken.

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02/01/2008 12:12 AM

I presume by explosion proof wiring you mean a type of Pyro Tenax cable which if properly terminated is classified for use in potentially explosive situations, In which case your electrical boxes should should match this cable and classification also all motors in use in the facility.

As for the bonding I agree with post 5

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Re: Grounding, Bonding, Solvent mixing

02/01/2008 11:28 AM
We had a solvent mixing room for making solvent based lacquers.

Please,note following points

1 Room can not be under positive pressure (In case of fire it will spread outside)

2 Let there be natural ventilation or it can have exhaust fans with Flameproof motor.Room should be under negative pressure.

3 Room sholud have adequate automatic Co2 fire extinguishing system.Every month mock dril of this system should be conducted without fail.

4 Every electricals should be flameproof,cable should be armoured cable.Grounding u must use copper bus bar.No short cuts or cost saving.

5 You can use static eliminators,air ionisers at more critical location to prevent spark due to static electricity.(Contact 3M,Singapore for this)

6 Room flooring should be anti skid and anti static

7 Room door to have fire retardant arrangement.viz.metallic double door system and also should have two exits.

8 Pay attention to operator's uniform.Should be cotton.

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02/01/2008 2:37 PM

The only thing I would add to the room would be either a dyke or sloped floor at the entrance for spill containment.

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02/01/2008 2:39 PM

My local safety inspector also required that the entrance be self closing and there also be two emergency exits (aside from the entrance door).

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Re: Grounding, Bonding, Solvent mixing

02/01/2008 2:44 PM

Hi Emptt,

You don't mention what size of mixer or tank that you will be using nor the volatiles used, whether they are heavier or lighter than air. If the size isn't too large then a pressure tank may be used similar to a larger paint pressure tank and mixed without issues to the environment or room. You must consider the volatiles as well and whether they are heavier or lighter than air; if heavier, then you would want a downdraft system versus an updraft system. You must make sure that the exhaust (and/or room) is considerably less than any explosion limits of your volatiles and that they are within the limits of what is acceptable to the laws regarding environment or exhaust or a scrubber system must then be used. Our colleagues raise some good points and concerns for safety - make sure that they are followed.

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