Does RF/EMF Induction Cause Cancer?

By the way, you can't ignite oxygen.

Hi, TVP45!

Quite right, or the atmosphere would burn up. But I wasn't quite sure how to word the enhanced ignition of Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen, given the result that showed up in the saltwater video. So I just said "they are both ignitable" to shortcut the issue at hand, which was a comment about efficiency.

Mark

For clarity's sake, I should have written:

"And perhaps a water ii engine could develop a tiny bit more efficiency, since the ignition of the H is enhanced in the presence of the O."

Mark

Hello TVP45

You can have the appearance of burning Oxygen.

You supply the burner nozzle with Oxygen, in an atmosphere of Acetylene or Hydrogen.

The flame shows the Oxygen being "burnt".

Also check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_burning_process

http://www.site.uottawa.ca:4321/astronomy/index.html#oxygenburning

Kind Regards....

Neat perspective. Thanks.

Hello MarkTheHandyman

<"Does RF/EMF Induction Cause Cancer?">

The short answer to your Question is: Yes, those do cause Cancer.

Kind Regards....

Hey, Sparkstation!

I'm not sending you your five bucks for just agreeing with the title of this blog, you know.

I'm trying to correlate certain microscopic phenomena to show how it happens.

So whaddya think about my thinking?

Mark

Hello MarkTheHandyman

You did ask a Question as the Title of the Blog, so I answered it in my usual brief and succinct manner.

The Cell damage is mostly done during the RNA assembly & DNA Copying = thezip/unzip trip).

Because the RNA/DNA is essentially biological Software, when an instruction is damaged or altered, unexpected results follow.

Bearing in mind that the encoding is very complex, to base4, and scientists think there are many "redundant" entries, they do not understand why there should be the "extras" in the DNA encodement.

However, it is the same with Computer Program encoding, often there are entries which do not appear to do anything, yet are left there by the Code Writer, because he/she knows that in certain situations that "extra code" which does not appear useful at all, actually does have a function.

Each cell, and parts thereof, can and do act as receiving antennae in the presence of an induced electrostatic field.

This may probably cause the damage to cell structures at an atomic level, because cell structures are generally assembled with a combination of electric fields and chemical recognition between parts.

The figures are out, and have been for years, where certain occupations have extremely high levels of cancers: Radio Hams, Electricity Linesmen, Substation Workers, Electricians and so forth.

The correlations between Cellphone usage and brain cancers has been done, and is the prime reason for the increasing number of those types of cancers.

Once the DNA of a cell has been damaged, all the descendants of that cell generally have the same damage inherited, within the same body.

Don't worry about sending me the Five Dollars, as the $5 is no longer real money (Gold, Silver or Copper Coin) anyway, just a debt facility, and is not really worth the ink and paper it is printed on.

Kind Regards....

Hi, Sparkstation!

I've read about the DNA/RNA alteration theory.

But it stops short on two levels: no one seems to have correlated the unknowns with physical phenomena engendered by RF/EMF radiation, except as a statistical occurrence; and

nobody has a cogent explanation as to why cancer (or aldzheimers, for that matter, where excessive aluminum-like crystallization was suspected) occurs in its presence.

As far as electrical interference in cell structure communication is concerned, RF and EMF interference as a cause would require that the broadcast frequency in and of itself can interfere with the electrical signals' passages to create change by signal modification. But again, no one seems to have postulated at the cellular level precisely how the results of that could cause cells to mutate to cancers; whereas continual irritation is a known cause of cell multiplication dysfunction.

And, a fair range of cancers have been attributed to RF/EMF interference, but not skin cancer (so far as I'm aware), even though man-made radiation is everywhere. Only in the more delicate tissues.

Perhaps the answer is able to be found without unravelling the DNA (or RNA, for that matter) code in a simpler cause.

And perhaps not, but isn't the theory cogent? Does it deserve a whack at the cat? Should the cops go with their first suspect because he looks guilty?

(with apologies to animal lovers)

C'mon back!

Mark

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For more info on this check other posts in CR4, many entries about it.

Hi Mark,

Actually, I was reviewing a paper on the effects of RF on biological structures (unfortunately, I don't recall the name of the paper or a link to it, but I'll look for it...) and in the paper they had some great images showing how molecules were binding differently when exposed to RF fields. They showed one set of processes with non-exposed cells, and totally different bindings going on when exposed to RF.

I had always thought that there wouldn't have been any significant change, but the images were very compelling. Now just because the molecules were binding in different places and in different ways doesn't automatically mean that it causes a different function or cancer. But it does show that something is happening, and it's hard to say what the results of this would be over time and at sufficiently high levels.

Hi, Guest!

Makes sense to me. The animate body runs on, amongst other things, electronics used, we know, as signals transmitting vital information between neurons via molecular exchanges at the ganglions (which are extremely numerous throughout the animate body).

Because the signals move in both directions toward and away from the musculature and the brain and depend upon environmental influence to determine multiplicity and strength under any given circumstance, there are 'frequencies' and signal strengths within those animate electronic signals.

Shoot a varying electronic influence while broadcasting varying strengths of RF or oscillating EMF into the immediate vicinity, and the interference result should be obvious and chaotic, although not as obvious if the RF is frequency modulated.

Mark

I agree with you. see also the tread on radiation problem as threated in this forum; http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/16131/Radiation-problem

Since this topic became a burning issue, i have taken time to sturdy a number of reports tending to address it. Most results , in my openion and just like you pointed out in your post, cannot make one to sufficiently conclude that RF induction can cause cancer.

Cheers

ethobil

In effect, the radio frequencies might be inducing the crystalline salts in the fluid and turning them into mini electrolytic electrodes.

The salts are dissolved in the water no crystals.

A properly tuned RF wave guide is one of the most efficient ways to pump a laser.

What the salt may be doing is absorbing energy the water can't and transferring it to the water like a helium neon laser works. If this is the case he is not making photons by vibrational decay but raising the electrons vibrational energy to disassociate the HOH bonds. No electrodes needed this way.

But at even 35% power to emission (of a wave guide laser) this is only as good as the best ICEs in mass production. In a piston engine, 35% of 35% or 12.25% efficient. His conversion may be better than 35% but this would not matter due to the efficiency loss to convert heat to motion.

The flame looked peculiar and seemed to be more plasma than a normal flame.

Also the H and O are going to recombine as soon as the atom's energy decays. That would be almost instantly when it leaves the RF wave guide field or bump into a molecule at a lower energy state.

Keeping the H and O separated will be very tricky if possible. This could be used for an external combustion engine but not efficient at all.

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Brad

Hi, U V!

The vibrational energy of the electrons in an interfering solution of salt and water might well be excited like a laser, charging the water and breaking its bonds. Great idea. Although I'm not a laser person and can't comment on the practicality of RF/EMF being able to produce that effect.

The large yellow flame is very much like an oxygen-enhanced hydrogen explosion in colour and intensity, so I do not doubt the veracity of the source.

When water breaks its bonds, salt is not involved except as an agent of change. The salt has to be facilitating the process in some manner. That's why I considered the salt as a separate actor. It's already known as an electrolytic agent that finds one of its uses in electrolysis when an anode and cathode are applied (hence the appearance of insulating bubbles forming out of the electrolyte around the carbon in batteries and rendering them "dead").

Electrolysis requires a spark (we believe) to break the water molecular bond. Sparking is a surefire and well-used method for ionizing the O atom in any compound, by adding extra electrons to it, I guess; allowing it to be freed of the bond and leaving the remaining element(s) negatively charged. If RF/EMF is capable of achieving the same results in a compound by electron stimulation, then that's definitely another possible explanation of what's going on in the salt water solution.

If the same phenomenon (i.e. laser-style breaking of the HHO bond) is occurring in delicate biological tissues, then it could be an initiator; and although the burning may not occur directly in this manner as one of the immediate irritants, the crystallizing of salts out of solution followed by further sparking, burning and irritation are sure to follow as the solution becomes less dilute.

My personal thought, however, is that salts in solution may not remain constantly in a dissolved stasis. Further to that idea, I don't know who made Kanzius' solution and/or how, so I can't even comment on the concentration, thoroughness of its dissolution or even the total solubility of his salt component.

The saline (and possibly other crystalline) solutions in both animate beings and geological circumstances do, I think, crystallize out of solution from time to time, depending upon local concentrations caused by ambient conditions such as temperature, pressure, back-flows and restrictions, and quite likely RF/EMF as well as normal electrical activity in the animate nervous system and intracellular communication pathways. Sodium Chloride reestablishes in the tear ducts and sweat glands (and, I think also quite likely in and through the walls of the --especially tinier--blood vessels), Magnesium in the urinary tract, Calcium (which is not likely to be found in solution in the first place) deposits on bones, etc. etc. Agglomerations of other undissolved solids also floating around in the system form kidney and gall stones whenever some attracting particle starts to gather them.

So, if your postulated electron vibration increase through RF-EMF stimulation ("EVITERS" ) meets with approval in here, we might be getting closer to some answers...assuming that this overall tack is at all near the course.

Mark

My personal thought, however, is that salts in solution may not remain constantly in a dissolved stasis. Further to that idea, I don't know who made Kanzius' solution and/or how, so I can't even comment on the concentration, thoroughness of its dissolution or even the total solubility of his salt component

The salt is going to precipitate out of solution as the HOH is vaporized if it is not part of the recombination reaction.

If the salt is not vaporised and the concentration is high, it would soon be a noticeable crust as the HOH is driven off.

If the salt is vaporised by dissolution some of the Oxygen would recombine with the salts components and the fumes would be toxic.

You don't need a spark if micro bubbles are collapsing. The implosion is supposedly very hot, albeit very small.

Thus my logic of the salt being a minor component, and not vaporized. Granted there is not enough data to be certain.

I designed my first laser as a junior in high school and spent the next 15 years (playing) refining it. Only to find out the companies that I got to sign non disclosure etc. Didn't want to produce it for various excuses. I had developed 5 generations of improvements. I still plan on making it for my own use. I designed solid, liquid, and gas variations. I'm a little rusty but RF waveguide pumping is a viable way to raise energy states in a medium but is frequency dependant and sometimes needs doping to raise efficiency.

RF waves will cause bad burns if flesh is radiated very much. RFID tags have even shown some increased cancer risk when read excessively. It is my belief that this is also frequency dependant because the efficiency of RF interactions with molecules are. Of course if the power level is high enough the point is moot.

Brad

Hi U V!

"You don't need a spark if micro bubbles are collapsing. The implosion is supposedly very hot, albeit very small.

Thus my logic of the salt being a minor component, and not vaporized. Granted there is not enough data to be certain"

I recall the blog on microcavitation....how the gases in the bubble are raised to a plasmic excitation state by temperature change. And certainly, if cavitation takes place on/in/adjacent to the NaCl compound molecular structure, I can visualize the damage it could cause to that structure.

Equally, the potential for an ionization avalanche in a gas can/does render the gas into a plasma.

I don't know whether the plasma can be described as a cause of ionization, though, since it is the result of massive ionization in a quantity. The micro-cavitation bubbles and the surrounding liquid would appear to be two different quantities.

I am not aware as to whether the micro cavitation phenomenon is able to break the NaCl (pretty strong) or even the H₂O (pretty weak) bond or not, since, to my knowledge, one of the two atoms in order to get away from the other has to acquire an additional charge in order to free it from the electron-proton balance present.

We know that in water, such a charge is induced by adding electrons to the O atom, rendering it negative (ionizing it) and making it into an O radical. An electric spark accomplishes this because it is composed of a charge path between a cathodic and anodic element and produces the ionization result as atoms in the path acquire more/less charge.

My original hypothesis is that the salt crystal surface in induced electron stimulation through EMF RF modulated frequencies becomes the cathodic emitter.

I'm not certain whether

• other crystals,
• other parts of the same crystal (for example its internal structure),
• other points of electron departure/reception on its surface, or
• fractures and faults

are anodic factors; or whether the saline solution may act as a 'ground' conductor [as it does in lightening storms at sea; either to an earthing point, or by dissipating the electrical charge through a large volume, like an automobile frame/body might do to enhance or produce a ground].

So, although I suspect local burning of delicate tissue as a potential cancer-causing irritant and the microbubble theory backs up that potential source, I'm wondering how the micro bubbles' heat might also be a cause of breaking the H₂O valencies. Are you suggesting that since a plasma state exists in the micro bubbles due to localized high heat, they can impart an ionization kick to the surrounding H₂O, NaCl, et al?

What allows the transfer of ionization from bubble to liquid; and what might the recombinations be in that case after things settle down?

Mark

We know that in water, such a charge is induced by "adding electrons to the O atom, rendering it negative (ionizing it) and making it into an O radical."

Whoops! Please substitute, to cover all points of view, "changing the electron count, balancing the charges and rendering them mutually repelling".

Mark

I am not aware as to whether the micro cavitation phenomenon is able to break the NaCl (pretty strong) or even the H₂O (pretty weak) bond or not, since, to my knowledge, one of the two atoms in order to get away from the other has to acquire an additional charge in order to free it from the electron-proton balance present.

I envision the HOH bond breaking and the atoms loosing energy to the solution and some of these atoms recombining because there is no separation of H from O. The recombination puts energy back into the mix and collapses back to a liquid causing an implosion. Much like bubbles in a boiling test tube/pot. The heat of the implosion is the conservation of energy from vapor to liquid, over 3 orders of magnitude reduction of volume.

As stated the atoms that ionize repulse each other, but Hydrogen and Oxygen are of the few atoms that can be striped of all electrons. Both ion states will repel the same and attract the other. If the test tube shown has no source of electrons from outside itself then I suspect that the ionized flame shown is returning electrons back to the test tube. Given that most salts are ionic bonded makes me curious to the effect of this on the salt's bonds.

The real trick is to keep the H from recombining with the O while mixed until the most useful moment. Otherwise you have just made a very fancy steam boiler with a salt contaminant.

Without a lab to check this out with there is a bit of SWAG factor.

Brad

That RF/EMF Induction causes cancer is still a hypothesis.

Indeed it is a burning issue that needs to be addressed squarly by researchers.

Doing this will go a long way in guiding regulatory bodies world wide in the approval or otherwise of certain radio equipment manufacture and usage.

It will also put to rest the various alarms on air regarding this subject.

This is a clarion call.

Cheers,

Ethobil