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Barometric Pressure Regulation for Ink to Printers

05/25/2006 10:30 AM

Quality Assurance in Pennsylvania writes:
Dear All,

We have a problem. We are a manufacturing company with about 70 employees in Pennsylvania. We are in the textile industry and produce athletic apparel. We make uniforms for basketball, soccer, softball, volleyball, and wrestling. It's ALL custom work (no stock items) and ALL sublimated. Our process consists of dispensing special, expensive inks onto specially-treated papers with wide-format, 54"-inch inkjet printers that cost about $30K each. We then put pre-cut, white polyester - it must be poly because only poly will sublimate - on top of the paper, and run it through a rotary press for approximately 30 seconds at or around 400 F. The ink comes off the paper, turns into a gas for an instant, and then permeates the substrate (poly). This is more permanent than screen printing. It won't crack, peel, or fade. You may have seen the results of this process on garments that cyclists like Lance Armstrong wear; or possibly some of the speed-skaters, but most definitely in swimming. The only difference with something like swimming is that the manufacturers of those garments use "floods", stacks of paper that are die-cut all the same. The goods are run right off the roll through the press, whereas we have to pre-cut them.

So here's the problem. Our paper, inks, and (especially) printers are VERY finicky in terms of behavior. Traditional printers have four colors: cyan, magenta, yellow, and black (CMYK). Newer, six-color printers use CMYK and light cyan and light magenta. We have two four-color printers and two six-color printers, all of which are no more than 2 - 3 years old. Normally, each color has a "cartridge" that goes into the back of the printer and holds approximately 1 liter of ink. When you print as much as we do, however, you do what we did and switch to a bulk-feed system. This consists of a rack with the four or six ink bottles turned upside down and fed through clear, food-grade tubing approximately 1/4" to the printhead. We are running into problems because the heads aren't getting enough pressure from the ink at times. A lot of it has to do with the height of the bottles on the rack. They've been adjusted to fractions of an inch, but finding the right spot is like finding a needle in a stack of needles. It seems that the barometric pressure, which changes frequently, has a GREAT bearing on how much pressure is inside the bottles to push the ink through the lines. We can't keep messing with the height of the rack. It's killing us in labor and down-time. No solutions have presented themselves, so that is why I turn to y'all.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Greg
http://www.brute.com
http://www.neuedgesportswear.com

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#1

baro sensor

05/25/2006 1:23 PM

Fabricate refillable, resealable fluid containers for each color. Install a barometric sensor in the head space of each bottle. Install a circulation type pressure regualted loop type ink feed with one port feeding the ink jet tube. Use a solenoid valve to regulate the pressure of the ink flow. Establish the ideal ink flow pressure and use feedback from the baro sensor to regulate the pressure on the feed tube to that value. As baro pressure varies you can modulate the pulse width to the feed pressure regulator in real time to get consistent flow. A control unit could be built to monitor all the pumps, valves and ink levels for all the machines from a single control point.

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#2
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Re:baro sensor

05/25/2006 2:03 PM

I thought the same thing at first; I think I have a much simpler solution: Find or make plastic BAGS (IV bags?) to store the ink. The bags will automatically adjust for atmospheric pressure, using only the pressure due to the height of the bags above the printhead.

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Re:baro sensor

05/25/2006 3:56 PM

I considered that idea too, at first but after realizing the OP's concern with high precision in measuring the dispensed fluid, i.e. moving the containers up and down small fractions of an inch to establish the proper pressure, I reverted to the more technical approach.

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#7
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Re:baro sensor

05/26/2006 12:06 AM

The two ideas combined look good. Bags with height adjusted by linear actuators which are controlled by a barometric pressure transducer.

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pressurize the containers

05/25/2006 4:20 PM

Why not simply seal the containers holding the ink, and attached air lines with regulators to maintain a constant pressure?

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Re:pressurize the containers

05/25/2006 11:59 PM

pressurizig with air liners / compressed air can create bubble and print quality may suffer. Better idea is to use a piston - cylinder (hydraulic, as it gives a better pressure and motion control) to maintain constant pressure in the bottle

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#5

We refilled

05/25/2006 11:50 PM

With a much less exact requirement - engineering printing - we had difficulties with the large bottles as well. So we got 2 or three of each colour regular ink cartidges and refilled them from the bulk bottles. It still requires regular replacement, but, since the IT people knew how and the engineers simply kept getting angry, we just put new ones in every morning. Downtime was scheduled and controlled.

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Re:We refilled

05/26/2006 2:28 AM

I would suggest to replace the 1/4" tube with a 1/2" or 3/8" tube. that would change the sensitivity of the system in that the pressure differences wouldn't be so critical. For the pressure regulation the plastic bag idea sounds effective enough

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Re:We refilled

05/26/2006 4:51 AM

Could be : 1. Combined variation of ink level and internal pressure on the surface of the ink : Is the bottle of ink puncture at high point to equilibrate pressure with atmosphere ? If not, it may request a connection to the machine with a plug and dual piping one from low point to the machine for ink and the other one to equilibrate pressure on ink surface with outside pressure. I do not believe that atmospheric pressure is so critical. Variations are minute. Is the ink viscous ? In that case it would be more difficult to equilibrate pressure at the top of the bottle and outside (possibly via a neutral gas to avoid contamination and drying). Could be also in equilibrium with a light plastic bag containing nitrogen at ambient pressure (plastic bag not fully inflated) to avoid contamination. 2. design of tubing : is there low point ( stagnating deposits) or high points (sky of gas) ? This could leead to plug flow : i.e. irregular flow like geyser. 3. Plugging by particles or dry ink ? What is the stability of your ink regarding drying ? contaminant ? dust ? 4. Diameter of the pipe : if the supply is of one liter, I would think that 1/4" is sufficient. Unless the ink is very viscous. Then increasing the diameter looks like a good idea. An as short as possible straight-vertical pipe is also a good idea. 5. What do the guy who is changing the bottles think about it ?

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barometric pressure

05/26/2006 8:04 AM

You didn't mention it, but have you done anything to vacuum break the upturned bottles?

There is also the possibility of using a siphon effect, having the bottles open side up, for consistent pressure. The ink jets should not be so sensitive as to be affected by barometric pressure.

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#11

ink supply

05/26/2006 8:35 AM

one factor in the feed is the smaller hose flinging around ,,im thinking that the print head moves rather swiftly, as most do, if the hose is connected, it also will be giong side to side,, this could be causing some or all of the problems?? the pressurizing the containers seems like the better idea, but might not want to have the containers above the print heads, since it will be forced, the slight pressure shouldnt cause problems with ink, its not thick enough to need a very high pressure, the barametric pressure,dont seem like it would be a factor, its the same on both ends of system, could be more of a thickness of ink, thicker today that yesterday? can you put thinners in ink? this would be a way to test viscosity each day, but would be messy, unless you empty each day to clean up, and startwith a fresh batch each day, then could be set at a specific viscosity, that might help make system more consistant, how long has the system been running? is this problem a new one? theres my 2 cents worth, good luck

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Re: ink supply

10/12/2006 4:52 PM

for your viscosity control I strongly suggest looking into a industrial viscometers by Norcross Corp (www.viscosity.com) they have in-line and in-tank units that could be tied into the process flow.

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#12

Baro Pressure ink regulation

05/26/2006 9:24 AM

Similar to wrench's suggestion, but simpler: Fabricate a single, sealable container to house all of the (vented) individual fluid color containers (like a secondary containment). Fit this container with tygon tubing or other suitable tubing for each color. Install a barometric pressure sensor in the head space of the secondary container. Establish the ideal ink flow pressure, and use feedback from the barometric pressure sensor to operate an air pump in conjunction with a solenoid pressure relief valve to pressurize the secondary container appropriately in order to control the ink flow simultaneously from all of the ink containers which would all be held at the same pressure.

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#13

Another approach

05/26/2006 11:13 AM

Replace the gravity feed entirely with regulated positive pressure. Use nitrogen bottles (cheap, non-hazardous, non-polluting, more reliable than air compressors, and will not oxidize your inks) to provide gas pressure. Since you are using the gas to provide pressure and not flow, operating costs should be negligible.

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#14

Ink Jet Pressure

05/26/2006 11:30 AM

I seems to me that the height of the surface of the ink in the bottle would be the predominating factor in the ink pressure at the print head. This assumes that the ink bottle is vented and the viscosity of the ink is not a factor in the 1/4" tygon tube. For instance, if the ink bottle is say, 12" high and the the specific gravity of the ink is the same as water, the pressure of the ink at the print head is 1/2 psi higher with a full bottle vs. the pressure at the print head with an almost empty bottle. (Difference of 12" water column.) The trick would be to maintain the surface of the ink level at a constant height. This could be done by having the bulk ink bottle feeding an intermediate open-topped vessel. A constant level could be maintained by inverting the ink bottle over the open vessel with a drip feed or with a sealed ink bottle with a tube set to the required height that would allow the ink to drain until the lower ink level covered the end of the tube blocking further draining of the ink bottle until the surface level dropped below the end of the tube. If you can imagine those "automatic" dog water bowls where an inverted water bottle replenishes the bowl to a given level.

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Maintaining constant pressure

05/26/2006 4:15 PM

Assuming there is some type of vacuum relief to the bottle and that the issue is the height of the column of ink, consider suspending the bottles from springs that would lift the bottle up as the ink is used to maintain a fixed column of ink. By selecting the right mass for the holder and the right spring, it should be possible to get a linear response in a 1 to 1 ratio to the ink level in the bottle.

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#16

Simulate Original Ink Cartridge

05/27/2006 3:43 PM

Call the ink cartridge manufacturer to obtain the exact characteristics of how the ink cartridges operate. Then simulate with your own ink containers. The manufacturer may even have a larger cartridge available to purchase. Of course, I am assuming that you are using your own bottles at present.

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#17

Pressurized ink

05/28/2006 8:23 PM

In the system you describe, (inverted bottles), you don't mention venting. If you install two lines per bottle, one opening at the bottom to deliver ink, and one extending above the ink level to equalize pressure, your fluid pressure should then be regulated only by 'head` and will not vary so widely. I suspect you had partial vaccums in the bottles, being randomly releived by bubble venting, which would give rise to the kind of problem you describe.

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