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RAM to be

03/12/2008 10:12 AM

My computer speed has slowed down immensely. I have 512MB of RAM and a P4 3.0 GHz processor. Enough to flip through the internet pages pretty fast. So I have been blaming my broadband ISP carrier for the sluggishness. Now I'm starting to think that it might be an internal memory problem. Does anyone knows how to verify the RAM speed and pinpoint which memory card is defective? This may sound like a silly question but I need help.

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03/12/2008 10:37 AM

it's unlikely to be your RAM, the fact that the computer is still working means that it is more likely a virus which is hogging your system resources. Use task manager and on the processes tab, look which is using most of your resources. It should be the system idle process, if not you may have a virus.

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03/12/2008 11:10 AM

I contend that the System Idle process is what is killing us. Every time I look at the task manager I see the Idle process hogging 98% of my CPU time.

Why is my computer so lazy?

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03/12/2008 11:16 AM

It's not lazy, it's just sleepy. Trying pouring a cup of coffee (not decaf) over the keyboard. You'll have results in no time.

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05/01/2008 12:39 AM

chance the the RAM

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03/12/2008 10:40 AM

I suggest you run an anti-virus program, it sounds like you might have a trojan.

If you think you might have a bad RAM - which I doubt - I suggest you just buy some more. And get 1GB while you're at it.

Also, if you have installed any new sw lately, that may be the problem. My mom downloaded a cute little monkey avatar and its hidden programs just about killed her machine, and it was hell to get rid of. Open your Add/Remove programs thingy and see if you see anything you don't recognize.

Have you "upgraded" to IE7? If you're running IE I suggest you install Firefox - it's way faster and uses less resources.

Also, and probably first, hit ctrl+alt+del and open the task manager. Click on the tab that shows you your memory and processor resource usage. If nothing is running, you should be idling at >90%, if not, you've got something running you need to get rid of.

Happy hunting!

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03/12/2008 11:14 AM

I highly recommend AVG by Grisoft.com, they have a free version, and an Advanced version with included Anti-spyware. AVG catches viruses Norton never sees. You ALSO need a Anti-spyware, as Spyware will also slow down your system tremendously. I use AdAware by LavaSoft.com. And if your running Vista get 2 gigs of ram while you are at it. PC manufactures have a diagnostic boot disk that will test memory 100%, contact them. I have used Dell's before, came on a CD, and yes you can set your BIOS to boot from CD.

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03/12/2008 12:46 PM

I, now and again unplug the modem! Disconnect the line, wait a few minutes then plug it all back in again! This resets all the stuff at the server and gets the web moving again! Or OTOH, you could have a bug in the system which the other have offered ideas on!

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03/12/2008 2:21 PM

Ask yourself what changed?

If you changed operating systems to say Vista, then you are probably screwed. Sorry, but there isn't enough money in the world to get me to install Vista.

If you installed an anti-virus program, and then it slowed down, there might be some settings you can change that will help.

If you installed some type of application (game...), then you can uninstall it, and see if the problem gets better.

If none of the above is true, then you probably have a bug/virus/spyware problem.

One last thing: Check to see if your hard drive is badly fragmented, or almost full.

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03/12/2008 2:23 PM

I doubt it is a RAM issue, your system would be crashing not just slowing down.

Taskmanager will show you what process is eating up your resources. Also use msconfig to see what programs are being loaded on startup and what services are running. You may well be running stuff you never use. Good adware and virus scans are essential.

(Adaware, AVG 7.5, Spybot S&D and the online Trend Micro scanner work for me.) Also check to see if your drive(s) are fragmented. (In explorer right click the drive > properties > tools > defragment). If possible move your swapfile onto a drive that is on a different cable from the drive your OS lives on.

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03/12/2008 4:06 PM

Assuming XP...

I recently ran into a similar issue with one of my older Dell laptops. Slowed to a crawl and when checking task manager showed CPU was at 100% or close to...even if basically nothing was running. I found a bit of decent info and what was ultimately in the machine was something that had gotten into svchost.exe. In my machine, one of the instances of svchost was like 30mb and was killing the machine.

Windows put out a fix...don't remember which or what...if need be I can go pull my laptop off the machine PLC I have it on at the moment and try to dig out that info..

Anyway...running msconfig will give you some basic selective start capabilities of crap that wants to run. Running MSinfo to find out what all is loading up on you seems easier to me. You may even have to stop some things from starting at the registry level.

Run services.msc ... this will allow you to turn off some things...some others you don't want to mess with. If, like me, you don't think you need to send Microsoft a report every stinking time a program faults...you can turn off Alerter here.

In chasing the issue in my laptop I found a couple sites that were useful info...

http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm#Services

http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/svchost.exe.html

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03/12/2008 5:38 PM

As someone said before, its unlikely that a bad RAM is the cause, else it won't boot up at all. Maybe its the timing, but that's another story.

If you're pretty adept with what's inside your pc, download and run HijackThis from TrendMicro. Look out for any unwanted startup programs that might be chugging the resources and delete it. Or, do a system scan, save the logfile and send it to any tech forum, they might be able to help.

For the resources to go from 1% to 100%, it is quite common actually, and usually the perpetrator is an antivirus program.

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03/13/2008 3:10 AM

All Answers are good advise.

I once had a slow system and i found out I had too many Antivirus programs running at once. (adaware and Nortons). Too much is sometimes as bad as too little.

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03/13/2008 6:08 AM

Norton, while a good program can be the worst culprit in machine slow down. It is up to you to shut off elements and restrict Norton to what you expect of it in the preferences of that program. You said a p4, my question would be does this slow down get progressively worse as the machine runs over time or is it present from start up.

If it gets progressively worse does it do it only as you surf of is it constant regardless of the processes you are running.

if it is a constant slow down over time it could be temperature related and a check of your system fan and a good cleaning may help some. Processors like it hot but not more hot .

I would explore the hardware stuff secondly to the software issues raised here. A quick check of system fans and as some one already mentioned a plug unplug of modem and or cable with a fresh restart afterward is an easy first step. I assume you have done some general checking of dust etc. . .

I run avast and adaware as well and they do good job of protecting my sons pc ( he surfs in places I fear to tread at times ) - Our Business computers I service are full time and run 24x7 so I also run Norton there because I need it really locked down. Zone Alarm is a good alternative. One other thought comes to mind programs such as key loggers can slow you down i wonder if you don't have one of them sneaky buggers running in the background. We had an employee that didn't understand "Don't go there at work " after a week of my installed key logger logging every key stroke he made he complained of system slow down - so I checked the log - fired the employee and unloaded the software.

Your milage may vary. . .

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03/13/2008 7:45 AM

Stop! Before you waste time and money, open control panel/system/General and make sure all your memory is showing. I have had 1/2 my ram missing do to dust. Also, pull the memory and clean the chips and the slots and re insert them.

Easy to do!

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03/13/2008 11:00 AM

Thanks I appreciate all you guys help. I love this website with all the smart people giving input to my particular problem

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03/13/2008 8:03 AM

Run a test with a program like "Prime95" which just runs a stress test for memory. If anything is unstable (or overheating) this will make the problem surface.

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03/13/2008 10:51 AM

I have encountered MANY machines that have been acting oddly, and almost universally they are due to either poor computing habits (not keeping the machine's HD clean and orderly) or poor browsing/downloading habits that have resulted in Malware infestations.
Sometimes you can clean things up easily, sometimes you can't. Be prepared to have to take this machine to a professional if you don't know what you are doing or can't clean it using some basic tools.

As others have said you most likely have a virus. I have found a freeware program from what used to be sysinternals but is now offered for free by Microsoft called process explorer is a much better tool than the built in task manager to sort out which process is which. There are other maintenance issues that could be the culprit as well as programs that, while not malware, are definitely badly behaved and will hog resources. Norton and McAfee believe it or not are two of them. AVG is a much better program and does not bring your machine to it's knees. Google Desktop is the worst offender in this regard I have ever seen, bar none. Before you do ANYTHING, make sure you have a good VERIFIED backup of the ENTIRE system, not just the data. You may need it later if you make a mistake and delete or break something you should not.

NEVER run more than one anti-virus program at once. They must by their nature embed themselves fairly deeply into the operating system and they generally do not co-exist with others of their ilk well at all. Running more than one anti-spyware program is usually OK because they are not usually running all the time.

Step one, go to "My Computer" and right click on your drive icon and select Properties. Make sure your hard drive is not chock-a-block full. If Windows does not have a decent amount of free space on the drive for it's swap file use, things will slow to a crawl. If it is full, you need to delete/offload to CD all the internet porn and the bootleg MP3's, pictures of your family and the cute cat/dog/hamster pictures your mom sent you and other useless stuff and make some room. DO NOT delete program files in this manner, we will address that at a later point. Deleting program files and directories this way will make it very difficult or impossible to remove all of their bits. You may need a bigger hard drive if you feel you really MUST have all of that stuff on your machine. If you are not sure how to do that and not lose your data, you need to take it to a professional and let them do it. Have them do a system scan as well while you are there. Also, go to programs/accessories/systemtools/Disk Cleanup and let it remove all temporary files, empty the trash bin, etc. After you've done that, go to the Properties for the drive again and click on the tools tab and click on disk scan, and let it scan the disk and let it attempt to fix everything. It will probably tell you you need to reboot for it to do that, let it. Then when it is done, go back to the properties/tools tab and click on defragment. highlight the drive in the list and click on defragment and go get a cuppa coffee or three, and let it do it's thing.

Step two, go to the control panel and select add/remove programs. Go through the list and make sure that you know what the program is and that it is a program you need. If you are not very computer literate or are not sure if the programs are needed or not, you probably should hire a professional to help you. If there is a program in the list that you KNOW you do not need or want, click on it and select remove. You may have to reboot after each removal to make sure that the DLL's that the system loads at start-up are not in use when they are deleted from the machine. The removal process will tag them for removal at start-up before they are loaded into memory. It will tell you if you need to do this or not, follow the screen prompts. Companies pay programmers in india or pakistan tens of dollars a week to program that stuff for a reason, read them closely, it will often save you a lot of grief later.

Step three, get a copy of Spybot Search and Destroy. Install it, download all the latest virus definitions, "immunize" your browser, then run a full system scan. (it has a wizard for you to use to do all these steps.) The program may not be real polished, but it is one of the best spyware removal tools around, and it is free. If anything beyond tracking cookies are found, which are generally not a high priority problem, let the program try to repair/remove them. If it tells you it needs to reboot to remove them, let it try but understand that it might not be able to. Some malware uses what is known as a "root-kit" to embed itself deeply in the operating system itself and will actively hide itself and in some instances actually "fight back" to a certain extent. One common nasty that is in current circulation turns machines into "zombies" or "bots" that are constantly communicating with not only the zombie controller but with each other too. If the "zombie horde" detects your machine has been removed from the "zombie horde", other zombies on the internet will inundate your IP address with malformed IP packets to "punish" you for removing the machine from the zombie army. Spammers use these "bots" so send out their "product' among other things.

If Spybot does not work, try downloading Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de. It is not as good as Spybot S&D in my opinion but it sometimes works where Spybot S&D fails. Follow a similar process of downloading the latest updates and then running a full system scan.

If this does not find and remove the malware, or does not fix the problem, you should take your machine to a professional (and not Geek Squad!) and have the machine professionally "cleaned" or "rebuilt".

It goes without saying that you should follow safe browsing habits and make sure you are running a REAL firewall (like Zonealarm Personal edition) and not the POS that comes with XP, you should not download "cracked" or 'hacked' or even "freeware" programs unless you know they are safe and are recommended to you by others who are in a position to know or are from reputable sites like download.com or TuCows or Major Geeks.

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03/14/2008 5:01 AM

You have been given as good advice here already as you will get anywhere I feel, I am not going to repeat the same stuff again, but please remember, that any link you have to you ISP is really, really slow in comparison to ANY PC, no matter how old.....

So once you have followed all the good stuff above and the link is still slow, use a DSL speed checker (assuming a DSL link) and see just how fast your link is actually running at!!! Maybe you have a problem outside of the house....

But do all the other things first......

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03/14/2008 4:09 PM

Hi Qince,

I had the same problem but don't anymore. I found that some of the spyware software is okay but doesn't really get rid of the problem of being slow. I found that there were two items that I can use that clean my system up nicely and I use them regularly now:

1. Window washer by www.Webroot.com. This program washes your system and cleans all of the temp files and other useless things that may affect your processor and memory. It does not clean any of the programs that you run but will clean your passwords for some internet applications. This program does a good job on keeping my system clean. You can set the system clean to whatever parameters that you like including the degree of cleaning that you want.

2. www.Registryfix.com. This website offers a free scan of your system to determine what registry problems that you are experiencing, which usually results in slow system speed. Check it out. You won't be able to clean or fix the problems without buying the program but at least you will know why your system is slow. Again, I run this program regularly.

These two programs are very cheap. Good luck. Rol-N

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