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ball point pen type mechanism ??

04/01/2008 3:57 PM

Does anyone know what the mechinism is called that is used in a retractable ball point pen?

The type of pen where you push the button down, the pen tip extends. Then when you push the button down again, the pen tip retracts.

There is the little plastic part that spins when you do the pressing, and this is what allows the tip to basically have two resting spots. In and Out.

What i'm trying to do is move a block between 2 positions (approximately .4 inch apart) and hold it in either position for an extended period of time (maybe stay in one position forever)

The only power source I have available is +12 VDC. I thougth that I could use a continuous duty electrical solenoid to move and hold it in the extended position and have a spring return it to the retracted position when I drop power to the solenoid.

The problem is that the solenoid gets too hot when left on for an extended period of time. It does not damage the solenoid, but I cannot use it because of the temperature rise, and I have no means of dissapating the heat. The solenoid manufacturer says that a 60C temperature rise is typical regardless of who's solenoid i use.

I'm thinking that if I know how a ball point pen works, I should be able to integrate the same type of mechanism into my design. That way, I only need to pulse the solenoid to move the block to the farthest position and then pulse the solenoid again to move it back to the original position.

I believe that if done correctly, this will work and also the placement of the block at each position should be very repeatable. I can live with the over-stroke that is seen in the ball point pen mechanism that you see when pressing the button.

Any guidance or a link to a website that explains how this works would be appreciated.

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Re: ball point pen type mechanism ??

04/01/2008 5:01 PM

Hello reefdiver

There are several different mechanisms used in different makes of ballpoint pen.

You want the cam style: Heart Cam.

Refer here: http://books.google.com/books?id=lUreeeP2wOgC&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=%22heart+cam%22&source=web&ots=CKlRxXtO7t&sig=QruPovo2vMWyJAUaGtUX0feRZXA&hl=en

You don't advise what application you intend using the designed device for, but a latching relay may be suitable.

Refer: http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/3960

I presume you want that action to remain in a static position, and during that time, no power requirements are wanted, in both the above systems, that is the case.

If you were not concerned about power requirements, and assuming you are presently using DC to operate your existing relay coil, you should remember that once a DC coiled relay has operated, it takes very little power to maintain that relay (armature pulled in), in an operated position.

It is quite common in relay logic circuits, to have the DC coil operated in conjunction with an extra set of contacts on the relay, to give the conditions:

  1. Full voltage = The relay armature pulls in.
  2. The auxiliary contacts operate, opening the contacts for full voltage, and simultaneously supplying a lower voltage to the coil.
  3. Note that the Voltages selected for the above operations, need to be carefully chosen, for each different situation - you will need to experiment.

Advise your progress

Kind Regards....

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Re: ball point pen type mechanism ??

04/01/2008 5:16 PM

A latching solenoid (maybe connected to a lever to give enough movement) .. it depends how much force you need.

A latching solenoid is operated by a pulse of current in one direction to pull in and a pulse in the opposite direction to push out. There is no quiescent current to worry about.... the pulse only need to be there for half a second or so.

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04/01/2008 11:56 PM

I think you are on the right track. It is not a good idea to use power to just hold something in position if you can help it. Why not go ahead and use the ball pen mechanism ?

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04/02/2008 12:01 AM

A latching solenoid will not use power in position if de-energized...

But it will stay in place up to a certain force.

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04/02/2008 12:49 AM

Try looking up "detent" devices.

How many do you want?

There are many automotive switches with "push on/push off" action like rear window defog switch. These use variations on 2 dimensional mazes and have a stroke around 0.4inch that you may be able to modify for a prototype.

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04/02/2008 1:48 AM

Hi Reefdiver

I have been doing some diving too. I also have been trying to find gear to use for a remote and isolated digital camera for some visability testing at one site over an extended period. I am slowly getting there.

Your question sounds like you are trying something similar??

I dont want to steal your ideas, but if so, maybe we could talk? I want something for my own use and after the project is done, I will dump it.

I can email you if my guess is corrrect

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04/02/2008 7:27 AM

Well, If I have understood the problem, why don;t you put a step motor instead of armature relay. A very small welectric pulse will give a rotation. The angle of desired rotation can be very easily controlled. The step motor would rotate the spindle (which is similar to the Pen spindle). And infact you can plan multiple 2D motion indeed.

Let me know if it interests you?

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04/02/2008 8:28 AM

There is a similar mechanism used in certain on-off switches called "alternate action" switches. If a ballpoint pen mechanism does not work, one of these switches may be better suited to your application.

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04/02/2008 9:50 AM

An acme screw driven linear actuator would hold either position with no power consumption.

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04/02/2008 9:18 PM

thanks to everyone for there thoughts, ideas, and help in general....we've looked at all the options.................AND............

the only power source i will get is a 12vdc pulse with an on time of a couple seconds duration........

each pulse will activate the solenoid and move a little block back and forth 3/8", locking into a repeatable position at each location

i have to design something similar to the pen plunger that can be integrated into our product with the solenoid replacing your finger////

wish me luck and please feel free to post your thoughts

thansk

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04/03/2008 9:15 AM

Good luck, and please report back with the results!

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04/03/2008 1:42 PM

Hi again Mr Reefdiver

Seems that my guess was off the mark re camera. Still, I am quite interested to see what you are doing.

All the best from Skippy

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Re: ball point pen type mechanism ??

04/05/2008 6:28 AM

I ask again "How many do you want?"

We manufacture "heaps" of switches with that type of action where your solenoid could activate the mechanical cycle.

If you're ony after a couple, then I could DHL some to you. If you're after thousands of them, then you could use these parts to build prototypes.

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04/30/2009 11:23 AM

I just recently made a 3-d model of a pen mechanism for the fun of it. You can download a step file at:

www.rockcruiser.com/p-latch.stp

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Re: ball point pen type mechanism ??

10/02/2011 7:22 PM

HEY Reefdiver........did you find out what the mechinism of a retractable ball point pen called?

I am also looking for the ssme thing "when you push the button down, the pen tip extends. Then when you push the button down again the pen tip retracts",

If anyone know what they are called or where i can purchase a sample it would be great.!!

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