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Anodes will they work for a 22 Ton Beast?

04/11/2008 9:04 PM

I have a 55' reconditioned Tug boat and have noticed a rusted and deeply pitted section covering approximately 3 square feet (see photo) that was not there last season. Right beside it (2nd photo) you can clearly see a portion that has been scrapped to the undercoat and the metal beneath is fine. The remainder of the hull is in excellent condition. The dark coating is Coal Tar Epoxy. Does anyone know why this particular spot would be so significantly affected? Additionally, for a 22 ton steel beast would the addition of sacrificial anodes help in any way, if so any idea on type, size, quantity and placement?

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Re: Anodes will they work for a 22 Ton Beast?

04/13/2008 1:24 AM

Galvanic corrosion can rear its ugly head in the damnedest ways. I've seen some very "hot" marinas that would chew through zinc at an alarming rate. Unless you are in some amazingly clean fresh water I would be... uhm...shocked... if you didn't have about 50lbs of sacrificial stuff hanging around in various places under your beast. Right on each shaft/prop...a couple midships and up near the bow. Based on this amount and severity of corrosion you absolutely should closely check or just simply replace all thru-hulls, especially if they are bronze. Sucks when you go to flush the head and the fitting snaps off. Which of course leads me to recommend remembering which locker you stick that box of cork plugs in...

I have seen some strange things related to this. Is there anything at all on the other side (inside) of the hull that could be acting as an attractant? Stray current is awfully strange and unpredictable. I had a vessel come in and berth next to me a few years ago...within 3 month of his arrival I noticed my zincs were hardly chewed at all, which was odd. I dive on my sailboat once a month to clean so I know how fast the zinc gets eaten away, I change mine every 10-12 mo. 9 months goes by...zincs look great. I swim over under this guys Sea Ray45. Both of his prop zincs totally gone and his props and shafts are obviously chewed up. Absolutely no apparent reason why his boat seemed to attract like that. I also know a fellow that learned a very expensive lesson because he thought since he had shaft/prop zincs in place, that's all he needed. Until he went to use his thoroughly corroded and ate up bow thruster and it no longer worked. And when he needed that thruster...he REALLY needed it.

Anyhow, zinc is cheap protection. Any vessel that sits in saltwater with any iddy bit of metal ...shafts ...props... expensive things... like steel hulls ... needs protection. Hopefully it has not compromised the hull integrity. Certainly, unless you are absolutely qualified to do it, have a competent surveyor or boatyard check it.

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Re: Anodes will they work for a 22 Ton Beast?

04/13/2008 9:02 AM

Thanks Switchman,

The boat rests in fresh water (Lake Ontario) from May to October. The water is very shallow at the marina and by mid summer we're sitting in a couple of feet of sediment. The same was true at a former marina we stayed at in Georgian Bay and the hull suffered no damage.

I will take your advice and have the spot looked at by a professional, I can say that at present the penetration is not critical, however if it were to be attacked again with equal agression there could be a problem. I will also check for current.

As I said in my first thread the remainder of the hull and the prop are fine, but I'm going to invest in some zinc. I'm going to grind prime paint and seal with Coal Tar epoxy and monitor the spot throughout the summer.

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04/13/2008 1:44 PM

Frank, after reading your reply I asked a fellow about this and he pointed me to a paper he had previously run into. Since you are in fact in fresh water (which does usually act as a good electrolyte) you'll want to use magnesium, rather than zinc.

Read this paper on this link and take a good look at what he is saying on page 6 about the oxygen concentration cell. Was this area of corrosion an area that would be sitting in the sediment you mentioned? Possible that could be a factor...some sort of contamination or something.

http://www.roscoemoss.com/tech_manuals/fmcf/fmcf.pdf

Good luck with it.

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04/13/2008 4:02 PM

This is just about all anyone needs to know on this subject in good simple English. You beat me to it!!

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Re: Anodes will they work for a 22 Ton Beast?

04/13/2008 3:37 PM

Galvanic cell is considered a mode of attack. For such reason, when damaged happened to the coal tar epoxy coating, such corrosion is started.

In addition, the combination of dissimilar metals lead to galvanic corrosion. The base metal itself (white metal) combined with rust as mill scale especially when such broken happened to mill scale (form other dissimilar metal) which act as a cathode, and base metal acts as anode, and water as electrolyte. Hence a galvanic cell is formed and such a current flows between cathode and anode through water which leads to corrosion of anode (base metal).

The best solution is to repair the corroded areas, followed by shot blast & paint and coal tar epoxy coating. And in this case no need to increase or to add a sacrificial anodes.

Note. There is a schematic drawing showing how the breaks in mill scale (Fe3 O4) can lead to galvanic corrosion of steel, but, unfortunately I can't attach it.

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04/15/2008 9:34 PM

I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion. Your insight has been invaluable. I have read the related material and taken into account all of your suggestions on and off line to formulate a plan to stop the carnage. I will test for stray current, I'll have the bottom sampled in our berth, and prior to launching I will inspect the electrical components and wiring and will repair the damaged area.

Thank again to all of you

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