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Recognise this snake?

04/14/2008 2:00 AM

I found this snake on a road (obviously run over by some car...).

for all the gurus and herpetologists out there..what is name of this snake and Is it venomous..?

I see a lot of them here in ... Saudi Arabia.

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04/14/2008 8:03 PM

I'm not touching this one! I'm allergic to snakes, they make me break out in a RUN!

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04/14/2008 10:43 PM

copper head

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04/14/2008 10:55 PM

Speaking of heads, you don't show the head, which I am led to believe is a key to knowing whether it is venomous.. I'm definitely NOT a herpetologist!!!!

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04/15/2008 12:12 AM

This is a copperhead... http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/images/copperhead2.jpg

Don't think it resembles the OP's snake.

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04/15/2008 7:23 AM

Not even close.

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04/15/2008 7:41 AM

Never saw a copperhead that resembled these colors or markings; the ones I've seen presented the color of a dirty penny. I had an aquaintance (a chemist) some years ago that was a fan of snakes. He brought a pet snake (in to the office) that closely resembled this coloring and markings. It was not venomous and he carried it around in his pocket. I seem to recall that it was a (corn?) snake, but he termed it to be an albino of the species. Perhaps the snake in the photo is an albino of some species. I am not a fan of snakes and I usually give them wide birth unless I can see that it is a garter snake.

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04/18/2008 7:17 AM

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04/14/2008 11:15 PM

Greetings, chaterpilar,

Suggest you first make sure the snake is dead. Then, pick it up by firmly grasping it behind the head. Open the mouth with a probe (not your fingers), and look for fangs. If fangs, then it most likely is venomous.

How about a close-up photo of the head with open mouth and fangs?

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04/14/2008 11:33 PM

I thought it is an Eastern Coachwhip, Maticophis flagellum, a non venomous tree-climbing snake.

The colour on its body gives it away, and the long slim body which gives its name as a coachman's whip. The male adult may reach to four to five feet length, some to 8 feet, the colour transits to darker tan as it reaches the head, and the overall appearance is that of a whip.

They are not constrictors, they grasp the prey in the mouth and hold on. Their eyes are more towards the front, which gives them a narrower vision than most snakes.

They are found in Aiken State Natural Area, and the Coastal Plains of South Carolina.


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04/15/2008 2:00 AM

Dead snake

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04/15/2008 3:52 AM

What's with the gammy right leg?

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04/15/2008 5:49 AM

If you think you've got a problem look what my mate found hanging on his fence recently!

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04/15/2008 6:12 AM

Looks like its just had a meal but has a really really bad case of heart burn.

That is one big snake. It may not be poisonous but it sure do have some mighty big teeth.

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04/15/2008 6:49 AM

Tom,

Where are you? I need to know so I can avoid visiting! What a critter. What kind of snake is it?

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04/15/2008 7:07 AM

It's from Australia - a farmer was worried by the number of sheep he was losing so put up an electric fence, (you can just see it in picture 1)!

What with poisonous snakes, spiders and crocodiles no wonder they do well in all the olympic running and jumping events!

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04/15/2008 10:14 AM

"Where are you? I need to know so I can avoid visiting! What kind of snake is it?"

It's a python, according to the folks who took the photos - and those folks are not in Australia. See http://www.bushveld.co.za/pictures-python.htm for the site with additional photos.

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04/18/2008 7:20 AM

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04/18/2008 11:10 AM

"no"

"No" to what? Your post #33 is to mine (#18), which was in turn a reply to #11, which refers back to photos in #9. Are you saying that the original snake was not a python? if so, OK, fine, but that's trivial because nobody said that it was. Or are you saying that the snake in #9 and in the link from #18 is not a python? If so, what alternative evidence do you have? The photos in #9 have been on the web for a couple of years with a claim that they're from Australia, but those photos and others of the same snake are available by following the link I gave, and the information provided at that site seems self-consistent and plausible - MUCH better than the stories that accompanied the Aussie sheep ranch version. Or, are you saying that they mis-identified the variety when looking directly at it and taking photographs (mind - they sell animal photos as a business)? If so, what is it (and show us your evidence!)?

I'm guessing that you are the same guest who provided the same "no" to someone's identification of the original snake as a copperhead; I agree, given that it's on the wrong continent (especially after the original post said that the kind was common in Saudi Arabia, pretty much ruling out an escaped stray or zoo animal). But when you provide a one-word, un-punctuated message to a complex chain of preceding posts, it is a waste of our time even to read those two letters!

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04/19/2008 7:42 AM

no

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04/15/2008 7:27 AM

GEE....Now would be the perfect time to pet her.

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04/15/2008 2:55 PM

Holy Crap Batman! Was that thing dead? I wonder what it just ate? Maybe one of those sheep!

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04/15/2008 5:19 PM

In the words of Paul H, AKA Crockodile Dundee, "Call that a snake son? thats not a snake....THIS is a snake" :)

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04/17/2008 3:35 PM

talking of big snakes and their diets...look at this...

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04/17/2008 5:28 PM

Or this, from OZ - it's a cow in the water...

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04/17/2008 9:27 PM

Enviroman,

That's cool, a snake swallowing a cow. Have you seen man-eating snakes? The Anaconda in South American jungle called "Amazon".

What's inside the anaconda caught?

Three boys were camping out, and at the crack of dawn, two boys found their friend was missing. They called for search party, and caught a snake with it's belly full.

Photo at the right shows a snake with fat belly.

They cut open the anaconda, and found the boy inside. Picture below.

Right Picture shows how the anaconda constrictor kills its prey by coiling round and suffocate its prey and break the bones, dislocate its jaw bones and swallows him.

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04/18/2008 7:27 PM

"Or this, from OZ - it's a cow in the water..."

Not quite . . . but a damned impressive snake, nonetheless! http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/cowsnake.asp

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04/15/2008 7:18 AM

The snake was found in Saudi Arabia, so none of the above mentioned comes into question. Even without seeing the head (which would be very useful), it is probably a member of the viper family. Follow the advice of making sure it is dead and opening its mouth with an inanimate object. I learned that lesson the hard way and spent a week in a hospital in southern France instead of attending my sisters wedding.

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04/18/2008 7:24 AM

probably not. Check the tail. Probably non venemous, too.

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04/15/2008 9:44 AM

As mentioned by others, a clear shot of the head would be advantageous. The presence of fangs would indicate whether venomous or not, but not all fangs are clearly obvious. Here are some typical Saudi snakes (none seem similar) to compare:

Carpet viper (venomous)

Horned viper (venomous)

Hooded Malpolon (non-venomous)

Caspian whip snake (non-venomous)

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04/15/2008 3:13 PM

I would if the head was in place it was flattened...but thanks for all the inputs....and more are welcome..

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04/15/2008 4:10 PM

I shall research further - you say this is a common snake there, and the color represented here is fairly accurate and typical?

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04/15/2008 11:25 PM

yes it is common and the color is that..matches with sand.

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04/15/2008 4:58 PM

Flattened or not, it would be of value.

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04/15/2008 5:08 PM

My two cents:

While the head may be flattened, if it was triangular shaped, assume it was a poisonous viper.

North American vipers (rattlesnakes, copperheads, cottonmouths) all have three things: fangs, poison, and triangular shaped head. Those Saudi vipers in the photos show that same head shape, where the wide jaws creates that triangle look. Compare that to the the whip snakes photos, where the jaw is smooth with the body.

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04/15/2008 5:14 PM

Oh, and one other thing: while I'm pretty sure triangular heads indicate a poisonous viper, the inverse is not true. Lack of a triangular head does not indicate a non-poisonous snake! In North American, coral snakes have no heavy triangular head (cause they aren't vipers) but they are poisonous.

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04/19/2008 4:00 AM

In addition, non venemous snakes can show the triangular skull shape--it's mimicry. The coral snake, in addition to head type also does not strike..and inject with fangs. It bites and chews. Can you name the coral snakes mimicker?

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04/16/2008 1:50 PM

Hello, Without seeing the head it is hard to tell. Me being from South Alabama I do not know allot about any other than the south east USA vipers particularly eastern diamond back and cane break or timber rattlesnakes and of course the cotton mouth moccasin and copper heads we had around there. I grew up with rattlesnakes everywhere my parents own the ALABAMA RATTLESNAKE CO. so as a kid I learned to hunt, skin and tan rattlesnake hides. In south Alabama the eastern diamond backs grow very big and believe me when I say one bite from a rattlesnake can make your whole year bad. One of the scariest thing you can see is after a Rattlesnake head has been severed it can still strike at a heat source waved near the snakes heat sensors in it nose. Well if anyone is interested at seeing some good pictures of the rattlesnake visit http://www.alabamarattlesnakes.com/index.html

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04/16/2008 3:59 PM

One thing about the OP's snake... it is likely not a sea snake, although I've seen a very similar one swimming in the sea alongside a Bahamian beach.

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04/19/2008 5:28 AM

Some deductions, if we may—

The shadow of a person's legs, presumably those of the photographer (who is uncertain about the snake's species and therefore, we can assume, has not touched it), appears in the photo. Can we also assume that person is chaterpilar? And that he did not cause the snake to be where it is? Because he feared to touch it even if seemingly incapacitated?

The snake appears to have a piercing injury...inflicted by chaterpilar at or near the snake's depicted location(?).

The location of the snake's injury is more suggestive of it's having received the injury while in flight or in hiding, not in a threat or flare (as in cobra) stance or strike of a venomous viper.

The snake's location appears to be a paved city street, a location not typically associated with the habits of venomous snakes...although we might ask just how the snake came to be there. Could it have fallen off a truck/lorry carrying produce of the like from a more rural environ? Or, if there are storm drain opening (in Saudi Arabia?!) along that curb, would they lead to underground habitats for prey which might have enticed a snake into the city? If such was the case, it would seem most likely that it would have been a non-venomous snake in pursuit of prey in such a location.

The snake shows no signs of recent molt...which could otherwise explain a snake's (especially a venomous snake's) being out in the open where they are not normally seen.

The snake presents characteristics most commonly associated (with some exceptions that might not pertain to S.A) with non-venomous snakes:

  • Exceptional length in proportion to girth.
  • Well defined, long, slowly tapering tail...in contrast to shorter length and more rapidly tapering, or blunted, tail more often associated with venomous snakes.
  • A body built for speed (speed as in speed needed for defensive escape)...as opposed to (usually slower moving--because speed is not needed) venomous snakes' more typical threat and attack defense.
  • Somewhat non-descript (not markedly contrasting or well defined) markings more often associated with non-venomous snakes which, in addition to flight, more frequently rely on camouflage to remain hidden--as opposed to venomous snakes which often are conspicuously marked as a warning.

Therefore, based on the above, and without reference to an authoritative source which depicts this animal, my answer has been, "No," to conjectures as to why it might be venemous..just because I didn't want to stop the fun. I will now attempt to find an identification of the snake...but snakes can very a lot from species representative photos--a species can vary widely in appearance between specimens; so I can't promise... Also, I have been finding that many sites which promise snake identifying content also want money. Guess the thinking is: Get bit now; or get bit later!

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04/20/2008 11:29 PM

Hello Guest,

Excellent reply..but honestly, me, aka chaterpilar had nothing to do with the death of that creature....although the shadow of my legs are there in the photo....

It was my day-off and was going for shopping and i found this reptile on a highway..and since the traffic was not much and the "crime scene" was at the edge of the road ( as correctly mentioned by Guest)..i took some snaps.

Our guest has a keen eye for details and hence i gave a "good answer" to him...although my quest will end when i get the proper name to this snake..and i am still waiting....

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