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is hacking traceable and visible while user is online?

04/24/2008 1:52 AM

hello and thanks for taking an interest in my question.

i wonder if anyone can tell me whether or not a pc user can tell their computer is being hacked while they're online?

i assume (maybe incorrectly, i don't know) that a pc can't be hacked while it's offline and it's shut down.

so my question is if someone is hacking into a pc while the user is online will the intrusion be visible to the user, does the hacker take control of the mouse or what will tell the user that they're being hacked so that if necessary they can shut down the pc and stop the hacker intruding?

i'm just curious, i don't have a reason to ask this except i was thinking the other day wondering how hackers get away with so much when surely their intervention into an online pc is visible to the user isn't it?

can't a pc or a server be programmed to know it's being hacked and instructed to shut down if it is being hacked?

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04/24/2008 2:11 AM

most of fire proof wall software can do it.

some software can scan pc terminals on line. and then access into it and operate it as type their own machine.

and any pc today can do the job today. for example you can use ping or ...

forget it. you'd better install anti virus software to keep the hacker outside.from attack....

look front thread, we aare often peeked by that ip

its too long topic.

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04/24/2008 10:57 PM

You are not allowed to ask this question, you have been reported by the CIA antihacker zombie programs in Langkey, move today, do not get mail forwarded, live in the woods....you may be safe, and then again, you may not...

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04/25/2008 12:52 AM

You are being told that the question you raise can be pretty complex.

With experience you will become aware when your machine has slowed down because of doing more work then you have set it.

Nonetheless, as you are also being told, the best way to prevent being hacked is to install a firewall, and anti-virus and anti-spyware software which will pretty much monitor and stop, or at least warn, if anybody is messing with your machine.

If you have money go out and buy Norton's software for virus' and spyware.

You can get for free on the web excellent software for those purposes. Go to AVG for their anti-virus and anti spyware software and for a few dollars more you might wish to purchase their product upgrades.

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04/25/2008 11:14 AM

You posted good, I gave you a GA.

I would just like to add that Kaspersky slows your PC down much less as a complete antivirus software, Norton REALLY slows things up, especially if your machine is not quite the latest......and is to my mind not really complete.....

Kaspersky also comes first in just about every good Antivirus testing in good quality european magazines that I have seen for some years now, whereas Norton is usually not even in the first 5.....

Kaspersky can be bought as a single license, as a 3 PC or as a 5 PC (or more!), much cheaper.....if you own more than one PC or Laptop!!

Also, if using DSL you should also install a hardware firewall in your DSL Modem, or at least activate it as it is normally already there, but not activated!!

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04/25/2008 12:41 AM

Like our other member said - long topic.

Usually, you will not know you are being hacked, serious hackers try to cover their tracks and go undetected - usually going after things after value from a company or governement agency (although a personal credit card number or two can be vaulable).

Know what and why you have information on your PC, archive off what you do not want others to try to get to.

Just to touch on some basics be protected and stay current with the protection programs:

(free software programs for personal use that I am using)

Firewall - tries to block unwanted traffic and/or programs from accessing the internet (ZoneAlarm)

Virus Protection - tries to stop viruses and worms (AVG - Grisoft)

Spyware/Adware (Lava Soft)

Lot of packages that combine all three of the above, usually you have to purchase these all-in-one packages but worth it.

PC not protected, but connected to the Internet via a high speed connection? In 2005 12 minutes per http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1511 (Time has shortened since 2005)

Interested in reading and/or looking at problems?

Viruses & Risks - Home Users

http://www.symantec.com/norton/security_response/index.jsp

The following two are geared towards people familiar with computer security, but you might find them interesting/frieghting:

Dark Reading - The Business of IT Security

http://www.darkreading.com/

Internet Storm Warning:

http://isc.sans.org/

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04/25/2008 1:33 PM

From the for what it's worth department, another reason for a hacker to access a home vs business computer is to use it as a zombie - for instance, to route spam or virus programs through to make them harder to trace. It will appear to have been emailed perhaps from your computer rather than the real source. Plus, some programs will access your address book and send such email to everyone you know, thus distributing it wider.

I'm probably predjudiced since I know John McAfee, but I have used Norton and McAfee and prefer the latter anti-virus software. It really does seem to do a better job, at least for me - results may vary, or we wouldn't have Pepsi AND Coke!

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04/28/2008 3:15 AM

And another reason to hyjack into anothers computer, use that computer to scan web sites to phish for E-mail addresses, collect them locally, sort & destroy invalid ones, then forward the result to the one who hacked your system, or a central pickup point on Yahoo/MSN/free-mail web site.

Having a super fast Internet link is attractive for hacking into, as those computers can scan the target web sites faster, if that computer gets black walled by the target computers, the email phishing will just fall off, and the hackers get a good load before the stream falls off.

The user on the other hand cannot see any reasoning why they can no longer access eBay or their other favorite web sites.


Can a computer be hacked while offline? yes, if the hacker is on a live internal "Intranet" or at the said keyboard, if the computer is turned off, then the hacker must actually physically turn on the computer.

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04/28/2008 4:54 AM

Anyone with a broadband connection is permanently connected all the time that their PC is switched on even if they are not accessing the internet themselves. As earlier posts have said protection software is essential.

For free software this is a good list of stuff that has been tried & tested.

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04/28/2008 5:54 AM

Many thanks Nigh, I have Bookmarked that page (its the Scottish blood you know!!) and given you a GA as well.....

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04/28/2008 6:29 AM

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04/28/2008 7:21 AM

....and most probably not your last either!!!

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04/28/2008 11:36 AM

But likely not your last! I bookmarked it too, and liked it so much, I not only voted GA, but here's a personal award:

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04/29/2008 3:18 AM

Free software?

SELinux, Hardened Linux, with IPTables, possibly also with portscan software too... all free ;o)

Could be a bugger to setup, but you can buy it already done for you in a nice little box from "Secure Computing" including firewalling and VPN

My boss said he wanted to get rid of ALL linux and just run with Windows based OS, then he got in a company to do the IT admin, to replace a well working system with Win2003 and Exch2007.

The company came in, closed down my linux firewalling and installed a SC firewall and VPN device, later I found it was just something like a mini install of Hardened-Linux.

My firewall at home is running IPTables and portscanning software, its getting almost continual hits, mostly Malaysia, and other Asian countries.

Just think, I heard that the place hacking was the biggest was in Australia, just when it first started... not any more ;o(

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04/29/2008 7:20 AM

Sounds like a rather short-sighted boss, to me!

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