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precautions for residual magnetism

04/25/2008 11:03 PM

precautions for generator residual magnetism:

what are the precautions to ensure flashing current is not too big?

and what are the ways to suppress arcing due to inductance of field winding?

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04/28/2008 7:55 AM

How large of a generator are you dealing with? Arcing can be slightly suppressed by placing a capacitor across contacts, but be aware that the capacitor must have the voltage rating and sufficient capacity to do any good.

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04/28/2008 2:59 PM

the generators i'm takaing about is which used in ships for generating voltage of over 1000volts....

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04/28/2008 3:14 PM

Over 1000 volts? You must either be talking about an alternating current generator, similar to that found at power plants, or you're doing something with it besides providing power to the ship. Right?

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04/28/2008 3:25 PM

yes u r correct.. these generators supply over 1000volts....there are many important machines in ships which are to be functioning 24/7....any power failuer to these machines may lead to great trouble.....(ship's navigation,pumps which lubricate main engine, oily water seperator,etc...).so the precautions for these generators are very important....

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04/29/2008 9:18 AM

"Yes, u r correct" means to me that the 1000+ volts generators are AC generators (otherwise known as "alternators,") as I assumed.

Residual magnetism in such machines should actually never occur due to the fact that, once started after a shut-down, the magnetic fields alternate from one polarity to the other in equal strengths. If the field windings are energized prior to the start of the machine, then the field can polarize the iron in the armature (field and armature are used merely as a point of reference even though the field may actually be the rotating part, but bear with me . . .), so that condition should be avoided. In the case where the field is made up with permanent magnets, such cannot be avoided, and it is common practice to maintain relative rotation between the field and armature. In cases where the rotating part needs to be worked on, maintaining relative rotation between the two is impossible, which is the only condition under which the residual magnetism may need to be eliminated.

The only time a transformer "cares" whether or not the generator's output is offset above or below zero is when the transformer is grounded to the alternator, otherwise, it doesn't even notice. However, connecting the alternator's and transformer's neutrals is common practice.

Nevertheless, placing a "dummy" load on the output of the alternator will soon reestablish a nonpolar magnetism (eliminate residual magnetism) in the iron, but the dummy load must cause enough alternating, magnetizing current to flow to overwhelm any residual magnetism caused by permanent magnets or by energizing the field before rotation begins.

There's a lot more to running primary power plants than what I have put in this post, but I really can't tell, by your posts or comments, how much you know about the subject. I await your reply.

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04/29/2008 5:21 PM

yes the information u gave me was easy to understand and it helped me quite well in my studies regarding marine generators.....i thank u very much for replying my post..i really appreciate it.......i'm doing marine engineering in united kingdom, i have't been on ships....so i lack in knowledge about marine systems...

thank you......

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