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Chemtrails: Urban Legend???

05/27/2008 6:37 AM

Hallo everybody... These are some pictures which are taken (by my brother) some days ago... This is a sky view over Athens after the flight of some aircrafts which left some "trails"... And this is a frequent phenomenon...

I don't believe in conspiracies... But I wonder... Any explanations???...

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05/27/2008 7:55 AM

... Any explanations???...

Yeh...cirrus or cirro-stratus...perfectly normal cloud formations.

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05/28/2008 7:33 AM

When I was growing up, we "never" had cloud formations like that.

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05/28/2008 12:30 PM

.. how come the formation has had a name for umpteen years then?

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05/29/2008 3:09 AM

Hi Del... You said:"perfectly normal cloud formations."... No, the formation took place after the flight of the aircrafts... The long and narrow clouds shown in the first picture are, in fact, the trails of the aircrafts which became wide (about 1 hour after the flights)...

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05/29/2008 3:39 AM

..They may have been initiated or seeded by the trails but the actual shape of 'em is perfectly usuall...does it make any difference if they are started by exhause, dust, volcanic ash, saharan dust or any other atmospheric particuate matter?

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05/29/2008 11:39 AM

It doesn't matter if these clouds are the result of a "natural procedure" due to the exhaust-gasses of the aircrafts... It would be fine by me... I have the sense (or the suspicion) that in the past we didn't observe such kind of traces (and so many)... (I might be wrong though...)... ...

My only concern is if it is so due to sth else (and I mean sth harmful for our health)...

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05/29/2008 12:08 PM

Like I said back at #1... that sort of formation is perfectly normal...
A mackerel sky looks real weird but it isn't going to dissolve our brains or anything...don't panic.

Just remember the old saying..

'Red sky at night, you'll wake up dead and the shock of it will kill you'....(or something like that)

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05/30/2008 9:22 PM

Great photos on that site.

I've seen them in Cleveland over the years.

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05/27/2008 8:18 AM

Apparently you do not have very strong winds. Your brother was lucky in the fact he actually got to see the formation of a mature cloud from start to finish. The water vapor from the airplanes seeded the moisture into the air. Without a wind to dissipate the trails, the moisture continued to collect and as the evening progressed, the air cooled and condensed even more creating the clouds you see present.

The trails just gave the clouds a head start in where they formed.

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05/28/2008 7:36 AM

Then that means that I am also very lucky. I get to see these formations every day, whether it is windy or not. I have been seeing these for a good 10 years, every single day.

These are "not" normal. They are man-made!

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05/27/2008 8:27 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

I've seen this happen. Note, in the article, the reference to the changes in the atmosphere in the days after 9/11, when all the planes where grounded.

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05/28/2008 7:38 AM

I have seen 1 set of chem trails cover an entire ky in the course of 5 hours. Prior to this occurrance, the sky was bright blue with no clouds!

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05/28/2008 8:32 AM

There is legitimate cloud seeding going on and has been for many years. However, there are some pretty strong "theories" of what is happening. I say if you want to go full on conspiracy about this go to www.abovetopsecret.com and give them a try. Please hang on to something, they can a bit wild there! There is some "professor" in Australia Tim Flannery that want to seed the sky with... get this now sulfur gas to promote "global dimming" to help prevent global warming. So every one go back to the 70's and 80's. Do we all remember the acid rain explosion then .Correct me if I am mistaken but if you combine sulfur gas with atmospheric water vapor don't you get H2SO4? That I believe is sulfuric acid. So in order to save the planet we destroy everything on it. Enviro-MENTAL-ist to arms!!!

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05/28/2008 6:13 PM

Hello G.K.

Your cloud pictures may be OK.

However the Chemtrails phenomenon has been around for many years now, and is not an "Urban Legend".

There is plenty of information available, if you are prepared to look.

If you want to learn more, have a look here:

http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/resources/chemtrails.html

http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

In New Zealand, we have had the organic threads, and the spores also, fall out of the trails.

Careful examination show pictures similar to the ones on the above and other sites.

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05/28/2008 11:47 PM

Of course contrails (condensation trails) are man-made. Temperatures at high altitudes are very cold. Water vapor in jet exhaust will rapidly condense and freeze into ice crystals. I'm sure that these ice crystals absorb unburned fuel and other waste products from the exhaust, and thus become contaminated. If someone came along and sampled the contrail, and didn't consider that these contaminants could be normal components of jet exhaust absorbed by the crystals, they just might think a conspiracy is underway.

Now when you consider that if an engine is worn and in need of repair, the possibility of normal contamination increases. Multiply these factors by the large number of jets in the sky (commercial, military, government and private) at any time, and you have enough "evidence" to support a seemingly plausible conspiracy theory.

Also, consider this: where is one most like to see contrails? Near cities with airports capable of supporting jet traffic. What else are you likely to see in and near such cities? Heavy vehicle traffic and factories that add to the contamination. The possibility does exist that part of the contamination came from the surface.

Now, I have not looked into the "chemtrails" thing, because I am skeptical of most of these kinds of trends. Many times they turn out to be overblown and unscrupulous people will use them in fund-raising pleas to fight the "evil conspiracy." When it comes to where those funds really go, there you will find a real conspiracy.

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05/29/2008 1:04 AM

Hello 3Doug

<"....Now, I have not looked into the "chemtrails" thing, because I am skeptical of most of these kinds of trends.....">

Isn't that similar to "I have not looked into the problem of the elephant in the room, because I am sceptical of that sort of thing"?

After all, it is not reasonable that an elephant could be in the room, and I'm not opening my eyes to find out.

As you say: <"....Where the funds really go, there you will find a real conspiracy....">, and that is so very true.

Follow the real Money Trail, see where your taxes really go, and you would understand the real Conspiracy.

I see you are located in Oklahoma, and you probably, like millions of others, think you are obligated to pay "Income Tax".

Remember that "Income Tax" in the US, Canada, and many other Countries is actually voluntary, otherwise the payers would be slaves.

The IRS or Tax Authority says you "Must pay Income Tax", but in Law, "Must" means "May".

Living Souls are fooled into signing a Contract to pay taxes, and if the "taxpayer" then defaults, the Statutory Law gets them, and penalises them for "Breaking the Contract they signed".

The US "Federal Reserve Bank", which regulates the Money Supply in the US, is entirely a private corporation, and the main shareholding is "The Bank Of England", which is also a totally private Bank, owned by: "The City of London Corporation".

Most Countries are in the grip of unscrupulous people.

You and others may not believe me, but remember:

"Sincerity of Belief is Never a Substitute for Truth".

Trust you are now better informed.

Kind Regards....

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11/08/2010 10:51 AM

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11/26/2010 11:20 AM

Geez - I thought engineers were intelligent :)

It's not just a legend - and it's not harmless, either. There are higher concentrations of substances such as aluminum in our water and food now than ever before - chemtrails are everywhere. They're spraying us like bugs! Not only that, it's being funded by our tax dollars - yes - WE'RE PAYING FOR IT! Gotta love government, huh?

If you don't think it's possible, look around - there are plenty of 'official' people who have lost important job positions because they refused to keep quiet about this stuff. There's lots of valid information out there, but it's kept pretty effectively quiet so people won't know about it and be upset.

Also check out a company called Monsanto - the information surrounding them and genetically modified food sources will astound you, I guarantee it!

Just my two cents ...

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