seeking others interested in a fuel saving jet engine.

Hello pralltin

To design and manufacture a new type of jet engine, then get it certified and accepted so a plane can be redesigned and tooled so that new type of engine may be fitted, will cost in the region of US$300 million, or more.

So, the airline companies are really not interested in your untested engine.

If you are serious, you are better to talk to Rolls Royce, Pratt & Whitney, or similar engine makers, who may decide to manufacture a test engine to your design.

If your design is really good, take the opportunity, and spend the money, to patent whatever is special about your engine design.

Once that has been done, try the jet engine makers.

If you want the best deal for yourself, then accept a cash offer, plus a licence fee, so that in future, each engine ever made to your design, or special part of your design, gives you further and future payments.

Talk to a good Patent Lawyer, to ensure your design is properly protected.

In all of this, Companies in other Countries such as China, may not honour patent agreements, and you may well find your design cloned at a cheap price.

So...think very carefully, before you pursue any course of action.

It may be the best option is to set up a Lawful Trust, which operates in a tax-saving situation, to collect the income, rather than the local taxman, because local taxmen are notoriously greedy.

Hope your idea is as good as you think it is.

Kind Regards....

I'm intrigued. How do you actually know your jet engine will save fuel?

Have you done a thorough analysis based on a detailed understanding of the many interlinked physical and chemical processes involved or are you basing your claim on measurements taken from prototypes that demonstrates the principles of your design?

Hi ffej,

You are right on there, but I would also like to know if this person has built such an engine and tested it? If not, then how can he positively say that his design will save fuel? It is one thing to say that your system would cut down on fuel costs, and another to prove it! Remember, theory is not the same as practice!

The best thing he could do was to contact a major jet engine manufacturer and ask to seek an audience with one of their engineers.

Spencer.

I think your best route is to talk to universities who are involved in this kind of work. Patents are for manufacturers who are making money, and unless your invention is a gismo you can develop and manufacture within a short time, then the fees will bankrupt you long before you get any money back. I tried to sell Variable Valve Timing to the automotive companies in the early eighties. I was arogantly rejected, mainly by the legal departments, but most of their rival designs were non starters and it has cost them dearly. NIH (not invented here) syndrome always applies!

Hello again pralltin

I have been thinking further re your "Fuel Saving Jet Engine".

The Jet Engine does not ever actually "Save Fuel", but actually consumes it whilst in operation, as do all heat engines.

So your description perhaps should read: "More economical use of fuel, Jet engine", or similar description.

You could always Register a brand name and use a trademarked slogan, such as: "Fuelmiser Jet engine" or similar.

Kind Regards....

Before you pay money to a patent attorney, remember that a patent is a recipe designed to teach others how to practice your invention. Is that really what you are trying to do? My suggestion would be to keep your information proprietary, and start an airline using engines that utilize your technology. When other airlines learn that your operating costs are lower, they will discover that you have a secret method for saving fuel, and will beat a path to your door.

I just read about a fuel-saving jet engine that has been put into use by some airplane manufacturer, but I don't remember who developed the engine or which airplane manufacturer uses it.

However, in an attempt to find a news article about it, I ran across this and the new, fuel-efficient, GP7200.

Try a few search engines and see what you come up with.

Hi to pralltin,

Today BA of the UK announced a competition to improve fuel consumption in jet engines.

It plans to set aside a jet engine, make unknown at this time, in a test bed at one of its facilities, presumably the UK and make this available by competition to a supplier to demonstrate an improved fuel consumption to this engine.

This was announced today, 14th July on BBC news this morning.

I guess that this could be expensive to bid and you might well need a collaborator.

Good Luck.

Sleepy

Maybe Southwest Airlines, they seem to be innovators. However, jet engines are supplied to them by companies like GE, Pratt & Whitney, Rolls Royce, etc., so that may be the course to follow. Or possibly convincine an investor (T. Boone Pickens, Ted Turner, Warren Buffet, etc.) that your idea is worth their sponsorship. I hope this Forum helps, and I wish you good fortune!

There is a saying that goes, "If you want what others have, do what they did." There is joke that goes the same in Motion Pictures, as Aviation. "How do you make a small fortune in Aviation? -Start out with a big one." For aviation designing stories Nevil Shute is unparralleled, and I highly recommend Slide Rule, put out under his real name Nevil Shute Norway. The Quest For Flight, by Tobin, about the invention of a controlable engined airplane is also recommended reading. These days Academic Credidentials are more important than ever before. Alliances with Universities seem to be recommended in this day and age since apparently corporations get free R&D that way. "Look out kid, they keep it all hid." Bob Dylan -"The gambling man is rich, and the working man is poor, and I ain't got a home in this world anymore." Country song of the '30s I unfortunately cannot credit. Please tell us how many pounds per hour, as well as how many pounds of thrust and weight of your design? How you achieve that is not for me to actually know to make any judgement at all about the practicality of your design. Hondajet is building a facility for engine manufacture at the airport in Burlington NC. You might visit there more cheaply than going out of the country. "In Business, Personal Contact is everything." - James Boy, Pilot. From what I know aircraft designers design around the engine. What sort of plane performance do you expect your engine to enable? Is another question. Anyway these are my questions and suggestions coming from my experiences working for aircraft fueling operations, and for the airlines, and flying myself around some. It has come to seem that if you are an outsider, the only way to become an insider, is to ally with a University, since US corporations seem to have figured out how to pay less for their R&D that way. -not to mention the Japanese. Good luck with your work. Let me know if you think your engine would thrust an Osprey, which I think is a stupid design and desire a Turbine, fan jet replacement for the rotors. Some of my taxes go to the thing is my only interest in a replacement other than it has killed so many already. (My brother knew one of the test pilots. That guy died flying it.)

Try talking to Burt Rutan. He his very involved with experimental aircraft.

Hello again pralltin

I have just had a horrible thought re your fuel-saving Jet Engine.

I do trust you are not proposing to partly fuel it with "Brown's Gas = the proverbial HHO", to "Save Fuel".

If so, let me assure you that electrolysis of water uses up more energy than when those same gases are burned to produce the resultant water, because no process is 100% efficient, and percentages of efficiency are multiplied rather than added together.

Kind Regards....

Hi pralltin,

I have yet to see an engine user that is not interested in fuel savings... Your major problem here is that 99.9% of all so called "fuel savers" are fraudulent. So this is being your first obstacle. Choose an independent qualified lab (there are many good ones) sign a confidentiality agreement with them better be in a presence of your patent lawyer and make a convincing presentation. If it will be truly convincing, the rest will come alone, you will be a billionaire in no time....

From your post , I kind of doubt it.... but good luck anyhow.

Wangito.

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I can see a few problems.

First, you need to prove your design/invention works. Give them a full report on test results or other form of proof. I believe those companies got lots of people asking them to fund similar projects. Why do they even need to listen to you? What make your invention works but not others? How much time and effort you've put into it? "I just thought of it on my way home one day." will just get you ..... on your way home.

Second, how you get your proof? Ususlly it means you'll need to put it in an engine and do some test which mean money. Yea, you got it. You can't make money without spending money. Don't go to jet companies and ask them to work with you. Look for investors. There are poeple with money who like to invest in new ideas.

Third, is your device safe and reliable enough to be on an aircraft? Someone point out the aerospace industry doesn't like changes. They don't want changes because they need to make sure the chnage doesn't result in a plane crash before they'll use it. Every extra component will create 10 more problems in the system. Its not like a car where if it stops you can push it home. When a plane engine stop, you get the idea.

With all that said, it'll take you about 10 years to get it to work.

I'm an aircraft engineer.Jet engines and all turbine engines require very exotic

materials to build and tool.They operate at a much higher temperature than you would assume , and at much higher pressures.There are shops that modify existing

pure jet or turbine engines , but they work to factory tolerances or catastrophic

results occur.If you're serious , I'll steer you in the right direction, but normally

turbine builds are prohibitively expensive and experimental.

Far as I recollect the Boeing 707 did use water injection at take-off for additional engine thrust. We put what was called ADI, I think in heavy recips for additional power at take off as well. ADI is probably what the 707 engines used, since pure water freezes. Truly I do start to wonder Pralltin if you really know what you are talking about. Aviation practices at most all levels of operations are wonderfully advanced. If you as a pilot, mechanic, or lineman follow the rules, and be honest about what you know or don't know, the engines are very unlikely to quit, or for you to crash. I wonder if you have a copy of the Airframe and Powerplant Study quide. I don't myself have one, though I ought to get one myself. Nevil Shute wrote a yarn about building engines and an aircraft early in his writing career. I am sorry the title escapes me this minute, but No Highway was another of his books of value to the engineers of aviation.