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Global Warming Justifies Vandalism?

09/11/2008 12:08 PM

This story comes from the UK:

Cleared: Jury decides that threat of global warming justifies breaking the law


The threat of global warming is so great that campaigners were justified in causing more than £35,000 worth of damage to a coal-fired power station, a jury decided yesterday. In a verdict that will have shocked ministers and energy companies the jury at Maidstone Crown Court cleared six Greenpeace activists of criminal damage.

Jurors accepted defence arguments that the six had a "lawful excuse" to damage property at Kingsnorth power station in Kent to prevent even greater damage caused by climate change. The defence of "lawful excuse" under the Criminal Damage Act 1971 allows damage to be caused to property to prevent even greater damage – such as breaking down the door of a burning house to tackle a fire

This is the first I've heard of such a ruling, and even though I'm a believer that coal-fired power stations contribute to global warming I think vandalism is taking it too far. I'm guessing from previous threads about global warming I know what the majority of CR4-ers think about this, but has anyone heard of similar rulings? Will other courts uphold similar cases? Will critics take global warming more seriously, or less?

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Re: Global Warming Justifies Vandalism?

09/11/2008 12:22 PM

causing more than £35,000 worth of damage.

I'd like to see the break down of this alledged 'damage' .

Damage to me implies some thing which impairs correct function... the word 'GORDON' painted on the chimney doesn't effect fit, form or function.

My guess is that, were the claim more realistic maybe the decision would have been different. Or if the claim was for something else..say loss of earnings...

Sorry I don't answer your actual question...but hey I'm a Cat

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09/11/2008 12:33 PM

This should be appealed, it doesn't matter what damaged or how much or the inflated etimate was done , because its going to set a precedence.

So vandalizing private property such as large truck and SUV owner is justified for the sake of GW.

Or large houses, or equipment......

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09/11/2008 12:51 PM

It's an interesting point... If only they hadn't painted the word 'Gordon' it would have been even more interesting.
The laws of trespass require damage to be done (I believe).

Regarding SUVs etc I'd have thought the amount of proportional damage would have to be sooo small as to be invisible...maybe that's what the bird crap on the windscreen is? Birds protestiong about the pollution....
There I've established a reference point...you can crap on the windscreen but that's it.

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09/11/2008 1:19 PM

I will believe the GW Bunch a lot more when they disonnect from the Power Comapnies, stop driving their cars and start planting trees on their property. However, that may cause more pollution when such a number start burning wood or coal to cook their food and heat their homes. Or is it such a large NUMBER?

There's an old saying that goes, "Put your money where your MOUTH is." that certainly seems to apply to the situation.

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09/11/2008 2:49 PM

I'm not sure about the British justice system, but here in the US they could still be sued in civil court for the damages. The power company could sue the perpetrators individually and Greenpeace as a whole. The rules for civil damages are different than those for criminal damages, so the power companies would stand a good chance of winning. That could force the activists to put their money where there mouth is.

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09/11/2008 3:07 PM

...you can crap on the windscreen but that's it

oh yah, who said that its only a bird that can crap on your windsheild.

elephants can protest too........

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ps make sure your windows are closed.

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09/11/2008 1:07 PM

Typical "End justifies the Means" philosophy used to further an agenda.

Who needs scruples?

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