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chill chiller maintenance geo geothermal

10/12/2008 9:16 AM

chilled water from earth coupled loops ECL's just a note to industrial chiller needs: DATA since 1995 2 examples installed by JP. 3200 ft of hdpe 160 sdr-11 poly gt-black 3/4" in standard grouting by standard local driller boring 12x245 ft vertical depths and some additional 5ft deep horizontal headers/piping in 52 degree clay-stone SE Cleve WET drilling having water standing@ 40 ft from surface with 102 degree entering 20% pro-gly water YIELDED 91 degree returning (chilled supply) fluid ( ! ) measured exchange at 262 Mbh or ~ 22 net TONS POND: 11 ft deep, 12 x 1" x 420 ft coils piped in 5 spirals 6" wound around spacing (ctr) ~ 7ft dia coils, 5 layers , each. and 550 ft 2" down and back (1100 ft 3ft apart) headers at 5ft in 52 degree soil to pond at 56 GPM 3hp circ- G-Fos + Baldor a 94 degree entering: Chilled to 77 (winter) and 79-81 throughout summer [27-37 TONS net chill] ~ NO HVAC-REFG MAINTENACE since 1997... fyi: sold by performance contract: saving 84%/ut'y + service is 'nill' 2-year R.O.I. chill chiller maintenance geo geothermal save

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Re: chill chiller maintenance geo geothermal

10/14/2008 12:33 PM

You didn't say where?

84% saving is worth looking at but in upstate Maine, the pond is frozen in the winter. In lower Florida in the summer the pond water temp is close to 90 degrees F, so I'm wondering ... where?

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Re: chill chiller maintenance geo geothermal

09/24/2013 10:20 AM
CHILLER saves 84% chiller maintenance geo geothermal
When I worked out the "alter ego" issue with IHS CR4, not finding my email of 5 years ago working, JPGEO = JP76 JOINED 2008

re-written---

significant savings continues after this 1996 installation of redesigned pond loop coils for "chiller" heat exchnge in PROCESS TESTING/ MANUFACTURING Pent Air Plant / Structural Fiber / ESSEF Corp associated.

the above OP would read more completely -

"chiller of low maintenance in 52 F soil of clay and stone wetted boreholes and ponds ,etc."

--- JUST WAS a note to industrial chiller needs (if fitting) :

IN- 1+ acre POND 11 ft deep on 2ft high rack -

Closed Loop coils Poly Pipe PE 3408, the plastic heat exchanger (piped 6" on centers- apart) and circulator operate simply in near ZERO MAINTENANCE - it still saves 84%+ many years later and no refrigeration tech nor related maintenance required of 25 hp 30 tons chilling: but only on one 1.5 hp pump OR high stage of a single 3hp )

DATA since other's installs -

GEOThermal commercial sysytems-

were tracked 1983-to 1995 was used in these examples installed, getting different results with a larger-wound pond heatexchanger (more described in the sustainable threads, and other chiller replies JP76)

EXAMPLE rewitten from OP here

Data was tracked in both rejected heat to the ground and absorbed.

3200 ft of hdpe 160 psi rated sdr-11 poly PE 3408 gt-black 3/4"

in standard grouting in boring 12x245 ft vertical depths (a vertical well system - closed loop gle ECL - Earth Coupled Loop, Earth Collector Loop found this was in static water levels of ~ 40 ft from grade)

and some additional 5ft deep horizontal headers/ all piped in 52 degree clay-stone SE Cleve WET-gle, ECL

[some readings ] 102 degree entering the ECL were among peaks at 104 with 20% prop-glycol water antifreeze protection ( 20-Ton water-Water "chiller" used as GEOThermal Heating 2-pipe fancoils, etc, 3-way water valves were used ) never below 38 F ECL loop return temperatures -- commercial offices

in 1995 summer loading

YIELDED 91 [ 93 peak-deg F ] (chilled supply) ECL returning fluid

Rejected heat of 262,000 btuh or ~ 22 net heating tons to the ECL.

only 17-to-18 NET usable cooling Tons resulted from the 20ton labeled compressor.

worst- 17/22 ratio at about 3/4 of .78 ; and that is 3200 ft wetted geothermal to 17 tons yields in a 3 week running nearly 24/7 loading such that 188 bore ft per net used cooling ton is NOT ENOUGH moreso nearly 210 ft wetted is better

----- to 240ft (dryer or other types of conductivity in boreholes) per COOLING TON LOADED-- is necessary

other's success hybridding with conventional towers and / or dry-coolers : each a fraction of the total loading, have proven a greater effectivenes than just ECL, gle water cooled chillers

LABGUY: since the heavier pond waters are 38 to 39 degrees, by design , I believe, for fish to survive the winters too, the "chiller" or heat-absorbing pond coils have worked very well since the 1970's. in the summers, again , only near surface ponds deviate (here in N Ohio) to about 70-degrees around heat exchangers, which is leaving 85 degree return water temps to the PROCESS cooling quite sustainable- peaks- with enough of the poly

ss "slim jim" plates must be designed accounting for algae and other coatings formations, but for absorbed heat seem need to be 50% sized larger than first specified by a few distributors, per compressor ton- heat of absorption.

Large well-spaced-on-centers -coils of plastic also lend to a convection effect where water seems to flow readily up through the heat exchanger as cooler denser water pushes the heated water out of the way (or thermal siphoning) and perhaps some conical shaped coil winding may give enough of a good result without a coller-ducting needed, or two rows of coils positioned appropriately, etc.

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