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USB3 and What Users Really Want...

10/14/2008 3:40 PM

Hello all,

We all experienced the transition from USB1 to USB2 standard with all the pros and cons and sort-of enjoy the increased speed of the 2-devices. Certainly many of us are eagerly awaiting the third round of the - in the beginning only called "useless serial bus" - devices.

But I would like to throw-in a few thoughts, regarding USB3, respectively USB from its basics. Here we go:

Why does USB devices NOT have a memory chip built-in to the circuitry, which could take the driver software and e.g. the manual? Most devices come with a CD instead of a printed manual and there is a driver file which consists in many cases only of a few lines of text, that is less than a 1kByte information. Memory sticks are so cheap these days, especially small capacities and why are they not incorporated in e.g. the camera or the usb tablet, mouse, gaming keyboard and so on?

Beside that a really good specification would rule-out how to write a driver, which would enable to have only ONE driver software for several platforms.

Another disadvantage of the todays USB devices is that they give a lot of information in e.g. the hardware properties window but NOT what device it is at all. Why does my USB camera not tell what it is? One can read a lot about HCI classes and power state behaviour but not the type and e.g. manufacturer of the device? Why are we forced to find-out by removing or attaching devices one-by-one what is connected where and which driver is missing? Is that only missing foresight of programmers from Redmond?

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Re: USB3 and What Users Really Want...

10/14/2008 5:45 PM

i want my USB devices to stay exactly the way they are now, dagnabbit!

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10/15/2008 10:31 PM

And I want to be able to keep using my RS232 devices!!!

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Re: USB3 and What Users Really Want...

10/14/2008 11:03 PM

most usb memory cards have their drivers on board, with other devices it is probably a cost issue and program issue

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10/14/2008 11:43 PM

The only thing that seems to slow down my computer is the old saved programs like restore points and the anti virius software.

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10/15/2008 8:50 AM

Initially USB devices [along with protocol] had been conceived only for mouse and keyboard handling rivalry to PS/2(btw not too bad thing) and ComPort UART devs.

Why does USB devices NOT have a memory chip built-in to the circuitry, which could take the driver software and e.g. the manual?

Have you meant memory just for identification and driver installation only? Ok, let's consider USB memory stick. It's just a chip, but it's emulating a Hard Drive. OS is cheated by one as like it has the geometry of real HD, i.e. set of heads multi-layer disks divided on sectors etc. Furthermore when Windows "thinks" it's the IDE device when Linux get it as SCSI. Mostly you needn't driver over here, just plug and pray play. It goes so now, but in times of win98 you would need to download and install driver from CD as well.

But mostly is NOT always.

When you plug mobile/camera into USB socket (using data cable or Bluetooth) in most cases it recognaized as disk. But as I said not always. We have here a bunch of devices and we need properly installed drivers. For listening music content from your gadget played on PC is needed Audio stream dev driver. For Web surfing on PC when your mobile is connected to Internet is needed modem (UART) driver, then network driver and so on and on. But you have the only socket. Which driver will be caught by OS as first? Will be there conflicts? What might be happened if USB dev won't be recognised as disk? Drivers stored in USB dev but not installed to OS worth nothing. So I do understand the manufacturers avoiding this trouble and offer you the CD that is cheap and always could be read.

Nevertheless your thougths make a sense.

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10/15/2008 10:57 AM

I simply don't like the idea to store all those driver CD's for all the devices I do usually carry with me. Recent examples where I really missed those forgotten driver CD's are the attempt to use a USB camera and my cell phone via bluetooth with my notebook. I missed the drivers for the Bluetooth-dongle for file transfer and the like. Regarding the purpose of the driver it is - IMHO - appropriate to install all available drivers at a time. If any application needs one it will activate and use that particular driver. For the example of the camera it would be the access to the captured pics via filesystem and streaming of pictures of the camera chip if any webcam application is started. Those drivers would reside on the RAM or ROM part inside the camera and could, in case of (S)RAM be updated if new versions are available. Regarding the first intention of USB1 to be a replacement of the COM and LPT port the idea of having more than a serial or parallel driver replacement was more than enough. But at least with USB2 it was clear that the "new" port has got much wider acceptance and use than it was forseen in the beginning. Latest after knowing this one should have extended the protocol by such primitive features like having the driver software WITH, respectively inside the device.

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10/15/2008 11:55 AM

We can only wonder if this problem will worked itself out. For while you can download drivers into your mobile and keep its there for readiness :).

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