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Einstein's free energy

11/28/2008 8:13 AM

Several free energy folks have accused me of picking on them this week, so I thought I'd drink the Kool-Aid and join in.

In the spring of '71 I had a conversation with a close friend and colleague of Einstein who mentioned that, near the end of his life, Einstein had developed a source of free energy. After Einstein's death, there were no notes on what he had been doing and no evidence of his storage method.

His method clearly did not violate conservation of energy nor did it violate entropy.

In the spirit of the after-Thanksgiving Day sales, I'm offering 107 points to the person who can decipher Einstein's method.

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11/28/2008 9:41 AM

Even without a 'Thanksgiving day' I will pass on this one.... LOL

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11/28/2008 10:55 AM

Happy thanksgiving!

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11/29/2008 3:00 AM

Milo,

You look like Indian. Are you Indian?.

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11/29/2008 7:25 AM

No Suresh. This photo is of Jim Jones.

It is a rejoinder of the original posters comment about "drinking the kool aid."

Closest I came to wearing robes was lab coat as a salary chemist.

sorry for the trick.

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11/28/2008 12:27 PM

Think this will work better on April 1st.

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11/28/2008 10:54 PM

I'd probably give my energy away free if I was dying, wouldn't you?

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11/29/2008 2:03 AM

Here is an answer.

Life.

Yep, it was there all along. There is no perpetual motion because all phenomenon depends on the arrow of entropy for its existence, including life, that's where we get the energy to actually swim back upstream against the arrow of entropy. We move energy from a lower state of organization to a higher state of organization. Life is anentropic.

We do this by increasing or rather accelerating entropy locally. There is no violation of thermodynamics because outside of this "bubble" it is a net zero system, it only exists locally. We can also not perform our life function at 100% efficiency. That is why there is an always will be what we call waste. Life increases waste, but only locally. The trick is to try to create as little as possible in order not to poison ourselves too quickly since we occupy a closed system.

Life as we know it can only span a limited window of opportunity within the term of entropy. We benefit from the current state of the universe as there are many sources of low entropy, stars. Once the tide of low entropy begins to ebb, our habitats will diminish and life will eventually cease. Life exists because of entropy and rides it like a surfer rides a wave. But just like surfing, the ride can only last so long.

Your mission Mr. Phelps, if you choose to accept it, is to make life last as long as possible. This universe will self destruct in.........

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11/30/2008 8:55 PM

Have you noticed that life has come up to a neat recycling program?

Other life form live off something else's waste to produce some further reduced waste.

The process continue until the wasts can be used by plants to re-charge the battery using solar energy.

Solar energy is almost the only source of energy running this planet's life. There are only a few exceptions in deep ocean...

Even oil is solar energy stored over billions of years as waste by life. Isn't that a green energy or what? ...

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11/30/2008 9:11 PM

Recycling is simply an effort to slow the downward spiral and I infer in my original comment as "to create as little [waste] as possible", recycling of course is one way to do that.

All the heavy elements were formed in stars and so there's no way to avoid stars as the singular source of all our energy no matter where you happen to find it.

Yes, in the bigger picture, oil is "green" in that it is solar energy. The problem with it is twofold. It is a finite reserve and it produces more local waste so the most ideal solution for us is to acquire the ability to live on the energy budget that we get from the Sun on an ongoing basis. No matter what we do, if we survive long enough, that is what we will have to do at some point.

Of course at one point we did that but it was before we discovered oil. And ultimately, unless we get really good at sustaining on only a solar budget, the Earth's interior thermal reserves will diminish and it will get colder. It may be that if we make it that far we will end up creating greenhouse gases to compensate for those lower core temperatures.

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11/30/2008 9:22 PM

That would be very annoying if in 100 years, we have to increase CO2 to keep warm after the billions $ we will be spending to try to cut the emissions in the next few years.

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11/30/2008 10:03 PM

Don't worry, it'll be a lot longer than 100 years before we would have to worry about that!

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11/29/2008 11:46 AM

The correct answer is, of course, the "Universal Will to Become" not just "life", which limits the energy to carboneteous material. Interestingly enough, both Einstein and Tesla, the only brave scientist to argue that Eistein was full of it, have acheived immortality, or the free-energy state, in their own way. Of course, free-energy source is a Nigerian scam. Don't send me any money, just give it to the poor...Ho-Ho-Ho

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11/29/2008 4:55 PM

The man you are looking for, If he will decipher, He definitely won't need your 107 points...

Wangito...

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11/29/2008 4:59 PM

Save them up and you can redeem them for frequent flyer hours in my time machine (Say, have I ever mentioned that Einsten was able to travel through time?).

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11/29/2008 5:15 PM

would it be true statement that when the points were redeemed and fully used that "time's up?"

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11/30/2008 8:45 AM

TVP45-

Your time machine may answer a question that has been disturbing me for many years. Am I traveling through time, or is time passing me by? I started this journey about the time both Israel and Prince Charles of England were born, but the data I have been able to accumulate are ambiguous...

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11/30/2008 9:17 AM

Actually, I suspect that you are travelling Within time.

If Tvp45 HAd a real time machine, It would look like a pair of giant scissors to sever your link to the fabric of time to which one is attached...

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11/29/2008 6:43 PM

ok a reply:

no such thing as free energy. A thief grabs it and can keep it, or give it away.

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11/30/2008 12:32 AM

The free energy to which Einstein was referring is present inside of you.

Towards the end of his life, he often reflected upon the waste of human potential because we so often spend the majority of our time attempting to either boost our ego by engaging in some ridiculous distraction, some passive, and some active, but none very fulfilling over the long term; or time spent trying to assuage emotional upsets over trivial matters, such as the death of a loved one, or the loss of a job, car, house, life savings, etc. The point being that we do grieve a loss - but we need to return to the life of a rational being, if we want to engage ourselves in a meaningful life; or time spent in arguments, or fights, or wars.

The "genius" of Einstein did not come from some abnormal mental capacity - no, it came about because he practiced the skill of thinking, along with copious note-taking, in order to work out thoughts, ideas, theorems, etc.

So this type of deep thinking is possible for everyone - although I would concede that Einstein's concentration level was exceedingly large.

The free energy that he spoke of would eventually come about when people continued to use their minds to create ever more efficient designs of energy generations, etc.

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11/30/2008 1:25 PM

I like the humorous approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvRzWYCZ2e0

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11/30/2008 4:49 PM

What is all this ? no science,no engineering,no pilosophy (except respectable rcapper),just big figures lovers? Get out of here!!I don't care what paper Einstein threw out of his window or to the bucket.Don't go to pick up it.He was just a human being.Do you think going so you are being so deep? Please...a lot of phisics and philosofers worked so hard too,before and after him.Subscribe to this dicussion to read what?Please again...

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11/30/2008 5:03 PM

What is all this ?

It is called discussion. It is among and between members of the CR4 community who tired of wave after wave of Free energy and over unity posts in the past month. ( not to mention rectal bleeding from magnetic waves that attracted helicopters posts) who are gamely trying to regain a little sanity by "failing" to solve the original post's conundrum.

It might also be called "Show Belonging."

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11/30/2008 5:36 PM

OK, it's Sunday night. Time to spill the beans and award points.

As many of you know, I use my dumb challenges as a way to share sites and facts I think interesting. So is this.

The friend of Einstein who told this to me was Eric Rogers, who was also at Princeton and was a bemused friend of Einstein. Rogers is the guy who built the demonstration device to show Einstein's equivalence between acceleration and gravitational force.

http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/modern/demo/7f1010.htm

It's a neat device and there have been several versions of it since.

So, OK, about the free energy. Einstein was the most famous scientist of his time, at a well-endowed university. But, in the last years of his life, he began working on some project where he needed batteries - lots of batteries. Rather than buy them, Einstein would go through any unlocked lab and simply swipe any and all batteries he could find. The other faculty had to resort to locking up any batteries they really wanted. After Einstein's death, there was no sign of the project nor all the batteries.

Nobody got it, but Milo made the best (meaning worst) pun, so he gets 83 points and the rest roll over.

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11/30/2008 8:06 PM

Free energy? Sunlight?

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12/02/2008 2:19 AM

More-sea waves, wind,people walking on tread mill, and many more sources.

E (Free)= MxC2.

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12/02/2008 2:40 AM

Everyone must wear those devices(like those windless watches that charge while you move) that turn movement into energy with 6 billion people wearing those "packs" it would lessen the power drain in the world

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12/01/2008 3:22 AM

Maybe it's just another urban legend. Someone listened this issue from someone who listened this from someone else who listened this.....

Maybe it's just a misunderstanding, i.e. Einstein said sth that was refered to "cheap energy" instead of "free energy". And this was misunderstood by others.

If it's neither an urban legend nor a misunderstanding, then who knows???... Maybe he had found a way to exploit the vacuum energy (???)... ...

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12/01/2008 7:23 AM

George,

It was a play on words. For Uncle Albert, the energy was free; he swiped it.

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12/01/2008 9:35 AM

If I was Einstein and I was about to die I would challenge future generations to complete the work I started toward the ultimate descovery: FREE ENERGY.

No doubt he was an intelligent man. But he was also a smart man.

Of course it really could be the ultimate "last laugh" as well.

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12/03/2008 11:13 PM

Hi all!! -reading with some interest-anyone have any info on the connection, and collaboration between Einstein and Tesla, on projects such as the Philadelphia Project?? (realize that could be a whole different thread)----Tesla may have been hooked up to ideas about "free energy" from intersections of electronic magnetic gravitational fields around the planet (i.e.--if you take the gravitational fields around the planet, look at the intersections of the fields, look at the magnetic forces, and find a way to transmit energy from these fields , wirelessly, you might have something)--> From what I remember, the two were brought together to find a way of "cloaking" warships from the newly developed "RADAR"---I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when these meetings occurred---know little more than this, but find it fascinating--- maybe Einstein and Tesla were on to something--would dearly enjoy to hear any comments---C-MAC

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12/04/2008 7:28 AM

It didn't work. The Phillies are still there.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Einstein ever believed in, worked on, or even thought about, "free energy". It is illustrative to remember that Einstein thought Willard Gibbs the greatest mind in American science.

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