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Is Information Lost in a Black Hole?

10/24/2006 9:22 AM

What happens to information when it approaches an event horizon of a black hole?

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Re: Is Information Lost in a Black Hole?

10/24/2006 11:03 AM

Some say it is lost. Hawking now thinks it may not.

Personally, if I were on the planning commission I would love to run the Information Super Highway right next to a black hole in hopes that the vast sum of junk emails would be forever sucked into that black hole.

The downside to that is the black hole might quickly turn into a super-massive black hole of unimaginable proportions take all of us with it, but frankly, it is a risk I am prepared to take!

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10/24/2006 11:50 AM

Let's see...the more massive a black hole is, the more warped space-time becomes, and as a result, the event horizon should become "steeper" and smaller.

A super-massive black hole could have a microscopic event horizon......could space-time ever close the hole? "Curiouser and curiouser" said Alice.

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10/24/2006 7:46 PM

I know that a super-massive black hole has a much greater propensity to gobble up more surrounding matter than a smaller black hole over a given period of time.

As for the event horizon for the two sizes, I don't know, but common sense says that the more massive the black hole, the larger and steeper the event horizon. However, nothing is common or sensible about these objects, so that may not be a good rule of thumb.

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02/15/2007 4:33 AM

The problem might be that with Hawking's current thinking on black holes, all those junk emails would come out somewhere else, and no-one in his/her right mind would want to be there....

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10/24/2006 7:44 PM

Is information lost in a black hole?

No, but socks are, and that's a fact.

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10/24/2006 8:01 PM

I disagree with the sock theory.Socks are a pupa form of coathanger, and the heat, humidity, and agitation in the dryer causes them to mature into a coat hanger.

During the instant of conversion between sock and coathanger, they are neither,

and have no mass, therfore they can exced the speed of light and instantly appear in your closet.

I have verified this with a count of each item.

A sock disappears,a coathanger appears.

It all adds up.Conservation of mass and energy.

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10/24/2006 8:22 PM

I used to think so, too - until I discovered that hot little Naked Singularity hiding behind my clothes dryer.

Ohhhh Behaaaave!

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10/24/2006 9:27 PM

Ah, not quite entirely naked! It had socks!

Actually, Duck Breath Theater proved unconditionally that socks and a myriad of other objects actually disappear into the 5th dimension. I saw it on TV.

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10/25/2006 1:04 AM

The correct answer is yes. As Time and space cease to move, therefore the end of time for anything trapped in a black hole, all information is lost forever. yes, ostensibly forever, however with an exception far more complex than explainable here.

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02/15/2007 4:33 AM

Then is a washing machine a black hole?

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10/25/2006 8:15 AM

I have a few students who whose heads would qualify as black holes. It is true that when the information gets in there, it never comes out!.....Just kidding!

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10/25/2006 11:13 AM

You don't need to kid about that!

There is subtle difference between such students and real black holes, however. The black holes want all that stuff to fall in. With these students you always end up having to give it a little nudge.

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Re: Is Information Lost in a Black Hole?

10/25/2006 8:27 AM

It becomes Spam in an alternate time line

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10/25/2006 11:55 AM

So which black hole in this universe is responsible for the Cheap Rolex spam? Ever thought about that? Even better yet, the Viagra spam? I wonder if that particular black hole has those funny jets you see in pictures, like in pix of M87. KnowhatImean? Personally, I'd say it does, given the sheer size of that supermassive black hole at the center vs the sheer bulk of such spam I seem to get. Not that I need more Viagra by any means!

And Lord knows, I've got enough Rolexes to fill a couple barns.

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10/25/2006 9:58 AM

Information enters the black hole, but is not lost.

It goes 'through' the hole to the other side, to another dimension, a parallel universe (or maybe at right where angle?) (it could be Dark Matter maybe?)

There are singularities as well (in the Dark Matter) (probably white holes?) where the information (not necessarily the same) pops out somewhere in our universe.

Except this 'information' (now visible to us) make us think we are looking at stars.

Does this make sense?

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11/02/2006 4:54 AM

... with someone standing next to the "white hole" saying "Where is all this sh*t coming from??"

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02/15/2007 4:36 AM

Spam senders...

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