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How Many Candy Hearts?

02/08/2009 9:05 AM

The Valentine's Day contest in this MEP Engineering office, sponsored by the office administrative support staff, is this:

Guess how many candy hearts are in the plastic jar at the reception desk.

Details: Plastic Jar - 4" diameter X 4-1/2" high

Candy hearts - 1/4" thick and will fit in a 5/8" circle.

As I see it, the issue is to determine the volume of solid vs the volume of air in the jar.

I used a "survey" approach, i.e I have manipulated the orientation of the jar and counted arbitrarily selected sample columns of hearts, then applied a factor to account for the orientation of the hearts with respect to each other (some upright, some some horizontal, others at various angles) then averaged them in an attempt to extrapolate a count.

Would any one venture a suggestion/strategy for a rational approach instead of the empirical path I've used?

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02/08/2009 9:15 AM

Sneak into the office at night and count them?

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02/08/2009 9:36 AM

Not exactly the rational approach I was looking for, but kudos for "thinking outside the jar". I considered that approach, but couldn't figure out how to get the tape off (wide clear tape with valentine hearts printed on it) without the sleight of hand being detected - any suggestions?

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02/08/2009 1:25 PM

Never mind.

Bad Karma.

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02/08/2009 9:52 AM

Depending on the prize might be worth some effort

Candy hearts are easy to procure - go buy an identical jar, fill and count!

Use the camera phone, photo it from each angle, try to determine uncounted

Find preprinted tape, steal candy jar and count, return retaped

In each case the removal of the item MUST be done with the trapdoor in your modified briefcase. And in any case we will deny any knowledge of you...

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02/08/2009 11:34 AM

I've seen several of these "contests" where an object was placed in the middle of the jar of hearts, marbles or what-have-you to blindside the educated guessers.

You've been warned.

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02/08/2009 11:40 AM

To Europium:

I will remember that when I sponsor one of these. Sooo crafty!

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02/08/2009 2:41 PM

Don't have a counting scale in shipping?

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02/08/2009 2:42 PM

Go in at night, shake said jar vigorously until most of the air space has been eliminated, placing said jar on a vibration bed works well too, don't ask, you can also set your cell phone on vibrate, place jar on cell and call it a number of times. Once hearts have settled nicely measure and estimate. Now, and this is the important part, invert jar a few times to re-space hearts, also looks like it has not been tampered,not that that is what you are doing, just a bit of re-organization.

You should be able to get a very accurate guesstementation, that isn't a word is it?

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02/08/2009 3:09 PM

as the others have already stated, go in at night and open and count the hearts but then eat some or add some and make your guess. teehee..

you could also "accidentally" knock the jar off the desk and slyly count them as you pick them up. just remember to offer to replace the jar, because you just happen to have one in your car. It could happen!

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02/08/2009 4:44 PM

Get a jar the same dimensions as the one on the receptionist's desk and fill it with candy hearts. Count them or use a counting scale (that's a lot of hearts to count by hand). Assuming they're playing by the rules - no dead red herring in the jar's center - you should come pretty close to the actual count.

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02/08/2009 5:01 PM

You are a devious bunch.

Sorry I started it.

No one has even asked what the prize is!

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02/08/2009 5:36 PM

Ok I'll bit, what is the prize?

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02/08/2009 5:45 PM

Don't know. Not my gig.

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02/08/2009 9:26 PM

Yes, we are a devious bunch and, no, you didn't start it. We've been devious all along and just needed an outlet. A catalyst.

Care for a grenade?

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02/09/2009 8:50 AM

The prize is the jar of candy hearts.

...it's the challenge.

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02/09/2009 11:20 AM

What is the challenge ?

The Jar ?

The Candies ?

or

The Heart(s) ?

Why don't you share the challenge? Team work you know is the way to success of any organisation. Let the team work together and break the challenge problem into small challenges problems. Let them have the candy and the jar, you have the rest of it ?

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02/08/2009 6:34 PM

Any likelihood of using the office postal scales to weigh the competition jar, then purchasing and weighing one heart or a packet from the shop to work out weight per number. You could probably guess the weight of the empty jar fairly accurately.

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02/08/2009 9:17 PM

Better - replace the jar wih your jar.

May be worth it with what ever prize you get on valentines day from

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02/08/2009 9:23 PM

Gremlins!!! For shame!

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02/08/2009 10:17 PM

I am never , when it is question of . (for you).

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02/08/2009 10:24 PM

Oh shut up and climb back in yer TV!

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02/09/2009 12:57 AM

I am talking from . Beware,it is already . Sorry for being late, just back from oz. My relative told me the bushfire is dying down over there, had to do something with their fire engines and things like that (Like adding some gunpowder to the extinguisher foam. psst. don't tell them)

The problem with humans are they don't like creative ideas.

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02/09/2009 8:25 AM

I like that gun powder in dry powder extinguishers, what a great idea

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02/09/2009 8:33 AM

Mix in a little thermite for a real horrorshow.

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02/09/2009 2:40 PM

And you wonder why we abduct and anally probe your kind! You are a sick species, but oh so much fun to study. We make some circles in a field and half of you go bonkers and the rest claim responsibility. Nutty, just plain nutty.

Explosives in a fire extinguisher-FOR SHAME. ( Although this behavior is expected of a Gremlin)

I love Gremlins, they get to do all the things I can only dream of.

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02/09/2009 9:49 PM

If you sleep so much you can only dream (Vini Vidi dormivo)

Just Do it (sorry Nike hope I am not violating your Intellect)

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02/10/2009 9:10 PM

I say "DORMIVI" you say "DORMIVO", we're still friends right?

Just remember "SEMPRE UBI SUB UBI".

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02/11/2009 6:00 AM

(Now you know where the O came from ?)

I never knew that you had a french Italian Roman connection.

We have a saying similar to it

Never fight with a crocodile when you are in water

And in todays context

Never argue with a gremlin when you are totally dependent on technology.

Hope that clarifies the matter. And gremlins are very friendly creatures. Don't doubt about it even now, when there is asmoke emanating from your keyboard.

You never knew that a dynamite fuse is connected to the Shift Key did ya

And anyway now you will never know.

<Expletive> Another of my relative didn't know and cut off the fuse thinking it is the communication wire. Better luck next time.

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02/11/2009 11:53 PM

not so smart used to work with explosives, not so smart don't go BOOM! But he does respect his Gremlin friends!

please don't hurt my poor computer. It only does what it's told (usually) and I can't afford a new one.

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02/12/2009 12:58 AM

I smell a rat (More of so since we don't have any Avatars of it ie Rat here in CR4 ) nearest is Kris and we have a couple of enemies like del etc.

You said YOUR COMPUTER DOES WHAT YOU TELL IT TO DO. (i can not have more of a shout of anguish i have made it caps, bold, italic, underline)

What are my species of US of A doing? They should not only fudge the records of Lehmann Brs (now of Satyam too) they should look after the poor you too. Do you sometimes feel orphaned without us looking after your equipments ?

You know that you people can not SURVIVE without US-not United states it is US- (caps for stress, not shouting clarifying since I had this altercation in another thread - but that is another story)

What will poor you do if the equipments do not break down ? Now you know why the economy world over is in recession in mfr sectors ? It is because we have now changed our vocation.We are concentrating now on accountants and accounts rather than on the machines.

Dont blame us, we may not be human, but we do need some diversions, but don't worry, we will come back to you sooner or later (as you know we are not human so even after divorce we do come back again and again a la Liz taylor or pam anderson too if i remember).

And don't get scared, you won't need a new one. we are not that destructve, just may be we will play around your key board and when you type "Love You" to a the mail will go with the first four letter word as some other four letter word. But don't worry on your screen it will be OK.

Destroying things are no fun. Just do something here and there very subtle so that you think it is too small and start repairing it and end up in a tangle of wires, broken mother board, hard disk destroyed etc. But that is your doing and not mine. I have just opened a wire and fixed somewhere else. You could not find it and ended up like this.

I remember once I did same thing long long back with the timepiece (I don't know what you call them - the table top watch with three legs - mechanical, you key to load the spring every night) and I had the casing, the arms and a whole lot of springs, gears etc, no more assemblable, funny thing is none of them were actually destroued or damaged and could be used as a spare part if the other timepiece require them. i still have a couple of them, thankfully working, but het into a hell of trouble in getting it serviced and getting spareparts, the costs of servicing is more than the original cost and if they have to change a part, i could have bought a nice quartz clock with that money - but keeping it running for the nostalgia these might be now 25+ years age

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02/12/2009 1:33 AM

My how you do go on. You are Gremlin, we are alien - same agenda, different plan.

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02/12/2009 1:37 AM

Can't be. I thought Gremlins could count or have a clue on determining the number of candy hearts in a jar - clear glass and all!

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02/12/2009 2:03 AM

we are not interested in counting. It is much easier to break the jar (and say bob got in and broke it), and count them as we pop them in mouth.

Counting candies in a jar ? what is the use.

A candy in mouth is worth 20 in a jar (especially in these times)

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02/13/2009 3:18 PM

How do you know about Bob???

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02/13/2009 3:25 PM

What do you mean

"How do you know about Bob??? "

What am I ? If I don't who will know ? Just remember I am/my relatives are in every gadget. (Don't keep them in your bedroom )

By the way did you mean some specific Bob ? like the Aussie ? I know him too (so he broke the jar ? I love it when somebody follows the great path shown by me)

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02/13/2009 3:41 PM

"i can not have more of a shout of anguish i have made it caps, bold, italic, underline"

Oh, c'mon Grem-san! Quit yer bitchin'. You could've used Times Roman (and capitalized the 'i's in your posts to boot). And don't gimme some candy-ass sob story about CR4's editor not offering different type faces. You're a Gremlin, and Gremlins know how to work around these things (like editing the HTML file directly for example). You could've even thrown in a few WingDings just for giggles. You're not trying, Mr. Gremlin. What d'you think this is? Friday?

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02/13/2009 9:15 PM

Hi nts anything happened to yer PC yet ? or anybodies ?

yesterday was my day, though I was busy in buffalo, some of mine must have tried it being friday 13th.

It was always easy. First CR4 tried to fool me, This screen has shown me my wings, then they simply diappeared into thin air when submitted.

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02/13/2009 9:45 PM

Uh huh. A picture of WingDings ain't gonna cut it, Mr. Gremlin.

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My pc is just fine,thank you very much. Perhaps you've lost your touch? Or your aim because my cellphone is driving me nuts.

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02/13/2009 11:21 PM

Attend to your cell and let me work with that fuse on your keyboard.

We have to distract with decoys when we have some serious work to do/ Ever heard about Matahari that was the extreme distraction

BTW- Again repeating the OP is silent- did he get candies or hearts or neither or both ?

Looks like choice#3

Silence may be golden but there are always diamonds who become girl's best friend (because they like things hard and non malleable ? )

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02/12/2009 1:07 AM

PS: what happened to the OP, did he took our advice? we have given so many constructive ones at least (that's me) have.

Did he finally overcome his greed and left the candies and jar and got satisfied with the hearts ?

PS why EMM - I know CMM and EMS (change the last part with slayer and then it should be a )

I think you can not just hack the CR4 and change his name could you ?

We can, but as i told we are too busy right now. And also we are aware that no major mishaps taking place due to our busi-ness elsewhere (you really thought that plane in hudson river was a bird hit . Don't lie, you did ).

But those were small things just did a couple here in India, but didn't succeed. Nothing of the order of Chernobyl or the foam of the shuttle we just scratched off.

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02/13/2009 3:53 PM

He's the same guy as what's on this thread. Poor sod. Bet he can't even afford to actually buy something for his girl so he's betting his fate on this crap shoot. Says they're cutting back on candy. Uh huh. I don't buy it. That's the one thing you don't do on Valentine's Day and I'm sure his girl would bonk him real good if she read that.

If I was him I'd be stealing a dog house just about now. A comfy one. And a bottle of Jim Beam.

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02/13/2009 8:30 AM

"You never knew that a dynamite fuse is connected to the Shift Key did ya"

Press to arm. Release to detonate.

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02/10/2009 1:03 PM

I would guess you might find a porosity of somewhere around 0.4 from which to estimate of pore volume and solid volume. This is a typical porosity for sand, but most soil materials will be very close to this value, maybe +/- 0.1 at most, independant of grain size. I guess you could always fill the jar with water and measure the pore space.

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02/10/2009 9:03 PM

And you have candy syrup ?

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02/18/2017 6:37 PM

Shake the jar vigorously. When all hearts are broken, you can measure the level of candy dust etc etc. Clearly the dust will have voids, but a good enough approximation would be sphere to cube ratio. Some 'back-of-an-envelope' math, and the prize is yours !

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