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What is This Gunsight Device?

02/15/2009 8:52 PM

Below, find four pictures of a red dot sight that was mounted on my Ruger MkII Gov. Target Model when I bought it at my local pawn broker. I absolutely hate it (you have to look past it with one eye and look at the reticule with the other) so I have dismounted it and replaced it with standard iron sights and I am looking to sell it. But to do so, I need to know what it is so that I can adequately describe it. While this is not exactly an engineering question, if anyone can help me identify the manufacturer and/or model of this device I would appreciate it.

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02/15/2009 9:57 PM

I'd love to, but never used anything so spiffy!

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02/16/2009 9:41 AM

Looks like a laser targetting device. Maybe Google may have the answer.

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02/16/2009 10:28 AM

Nope, no laser involved. It has a neon orange/red fiberoptic bit that you can view through the reticule that appears as a red glowing dot on a black background. with the non-dominant eye on the reticule and the other dominant eye looking past the sight and focused on the target it appears that the red dot is hovering in space over the target.

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02/16/2009 10:49 PM

I think it is called an aimpoint. You are right it is not a laser, but it puts a red dot at point of impact.Try aimpoint. looks like an old model.

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02/17/2009 12:19 AM

This sight is a tactical sight designed to be used for quick pointing. It is used with both eyes open. It has to be adjusted for your eyes keeping in mind that people can be right eye and left eye dominant. It is a close range tactical self defense sight. Look on ebay for current market value. I believe your problem with the sight was you were trying to see both the target with one eye and the sight with the other. as a former reply said if you just looked at the target with both eyes it would float a red dot in your sight picture that was point of impact.

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02/17/2009 4:38 AM

They were out long before lasers were affordable/invented?

They don't tell the target he is targeted with red lights as damn lasers do!!! At night, red laser sights will get you killed nowadays.....there are laser systems that you need special equipment to see for army work I believe.....

I actually used one in the RN many years ago, and if you want to kill people quickly at various ranges they work well on a rifle or a pistol. (I personally have only done the training, not the killing!), you get on target far quicker than with a laser after a little practise.....

If you want to score highly on targets with one, pistols are about the only weapon that can use it I feel....

I "Tuned" the red dot really small and it was fantastic even for night work.....

My eyes are quite different, both are longsight, but the left is very longsighted, right eye is the "Boss" and it worked for me very well......I would not sell it (its pürobably not worth much today anyway), I would get used to it and then use it for hunting..... or as a conversational piece at the bar!

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02/17/2009 10:43 AM

It probably isn't worth much, but it is worth looking around to see. One downside is that there needs to be a significant amount of ambient light for it to work (since it does not generate it's own light.). I prefer iron sights, they work in low light better than this thing does. Additionally, the reason I purchased the weapon was to teach my kiddoes (and to practice marksmanship myself) on how to shoot. 22's are really cheap to shoot. I can shoot all day long for under 13 bucks in ammo. And the recoil is light enough even my seven year old can handle it. Almost every gun they pick up will have some kind of iron sight on it. I doubt they will find another gun with this kind of sight on it so I want them to learn "the right way" instead of learning to use an obscure kind of sight that they are not likely to find again. I may hang onto it and remount it in some distant future, but it would undermine the reason for the gun's purchase.

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02/17/2009 12:37 PM

I used the ones with a battery/bulb, I did not even know that they made a daylight only version, interesting, but of little interest for anyone who shoots at night!!!

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02/17/2009 8:17 AM

I've never seen one of those but it looks like a piece of junk. The iron sights are cool, just put a set of laser grips on and you'll be all set.

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02/17/2009 9:19 AM

My son had a similar one for his paint-ball gun. Pretty little Angel with motorized feed and hopper. Once you get used to it they are very fast to sight and shoot. When he had it on full auto you could see the line of balls coming at you. Little bastard guy would lay a rising and falling line of trajectory leaving you no place to duck or run.

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02/17/2009 10:22 AM

It is a red dot type of collimator sight, as seen on most of the carbines used in Close Quarters Combat (CQB) in Iraq and Afghanistan. You only need to put the dot on the target to aim, and your eye does not need to be lined up exactly behind the sight, i.e. the eye does not have to be exactly on the line between the target and the sight.

With iron sights you need to line up the target, front sight, rear sight, and one eye with the target. This takes more coordination and training to do quickly than the red dot sight.

Collimator sights made a big difference for fighter pilots in WWII, making it easier to get a good shot from a moving plan at a moving target.

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02/17/2009 12:35 PM

Well put and completely correct.....

I liked them, still do as they do not suffer from the shake that happens with laser systems.......so you shoot better and very, very fast.......

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02/17/2009 12:11 PM

I believe that is an occluded red dot sight. This type was sold back before the comon look through red dots. I think they were originally touted as good for shotguns. I would take it to some of the gun boards like AR15.com.

As to who made the thing, I haven't a clue!

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02/18/2009 12:53 AM

GOOD DAY,

I had one mounted on my CZ, they called it a 'quick scope'. the idea is that it works as a 'laser' dot on the target even in high light conditions. It's drawback was that it only worked well when its batteries were new. One has to get used to using it but I found it so effective that I mounted it to my paintball gun & threw the laser away!

it seems to grow on you with use.

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02/18/2009 3:01 AM

You said it best.

If I was still shooting regularly, I would love one of these. But I would replace the bulb with a high intensity red LED to reduce battery usage......maybe with a little electronics to allow the intensity to be varied for night and day.....maybe automatically!!

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02/18/2009 4:01 AM

Hello Andy,

mine came with the super LED, but I allways forget to switch the damm thing off, the reason being that after a few games I am more interested in drinking a couple of beers' so now I allways carry spare batteries with my kit. By the way, it's a bit of a bugger to clean the sight if you get 'marked' during the game, then I have to revert to aiming down the tube.

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02/18/2009 4:23 AM

The ones we had in the Navy were made in the USA if I remember correctly, early in the 60's!!! No LEDs then!!

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02/18/2009 5:01 AM

In the early '70s the British army evaluated a variety of sights for rifles including a variant of this type of sight called the Singlepoint. The theory seemed attractive, but in general service the RARDE SUSAT sight proved far superior and was adopted as standard on the FN and then the SA80 rifle.

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02/18/2009 8:56 AM

I have received word back from Aimpoint in Sweden that this is not one of theirs.

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02/18/2009 11:13 AM

It was manufactured by the Kris-Del corp. There is a recall on it. You need to send it to Del at once.

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02/18/2009 11:24 AM

It's a good thing I never used it then.....=D

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02/18/2009 12:19 PM

Hi Rorschach,

Looks like it might be an old Armson OEG (Occluded Eye Gunsight). I found the pics below on the net. I believe the ones I was thinking about from back in the later 70's were made by bushnell and tasco and sold mostly for shotguns then found an early niche in handgun hunting and competition. You might want to check with bushnell (I believe bushnell now owns tasco?), simmons, trijicon and redfield.

Wish I had more info but hope this helps a little.

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02/18/2009 12:54 PM

EXCELLENT! that is exactly what it is. the object you show is EXACTLY like the one I have, minus the writing on the side (which may have been removed by cleaning solvent when the gun was cleaned. it looks like it was painted on instead of stamped/etched.)

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02/18/2009 3:47 PM

Glad I could be of help. Just wish I had some better info for you.

Thanks also for the GA's. Much appreciated!

Gotta run. Take care.

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02/18/2009 4:41 PM

Actually, they still make this model. They sell it to the paintball and .22 rimfire market mostly. It has a 3/8" dovetail base on it instead of a picatinny/weaver base. They don't appear to sell adapter rails for this weapon so the rail may be by someone else. I've looked on Volquartsen's site and they don't appear to make a 3/8" rail for it. All of their scope mounts are picatinny style near as I can tell.

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02/18/2009 5:06 PM

The mount could be a one off by a friendly neighborhood machinist. Some incredible things get turned out of people's garages.

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02/18/2009 5:33 PM

Eh, maybe, but it does not have that "homemade" feel to it. It looks professionally designed and manufactured. it is black anodized, not painted and many of the edges are rounded over with a consistent radius. I have a strong suspicion it was a production item that may no longer be available.

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Hi Rorschach,

The sight is an Armson .22 or "Pro-Dot" OEG sight that has been manufactured for over 40 years now. Trijicon was actually formed as Armson, Inc. and began distributing the OEG series which comprised their entire product line at that time. They, of course, took the general concept and through a lot of innovation and hard work developed the ACOG and other successor lines of product. The sight pictured by Snygolfgs is a proprietary Stryker/Street Sweeper body/mount vs. the 3/8" dovetail mount on your sight. Armson was purchased and moved to the U.S. in 2004. More information is available at http://www.armsonusa.com.

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