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Jugad New terminology.

03/22/2009 6:58 AM

Hello everyone,

Many Indian origin words are getting popular and has been accepted widely, Here is a one more Indian word that can be usefull for technical people in expressing there point and describing their project.

What world would you use? if-

You are going to make something like the right brothers air machine or for that matter anything to just prove an idea or something like cheep and dirty or a make shift arrangement.

My Suggestion Lets add word Jugad to CR4 dictionary.

See one good example of jugad in this picture.

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03/22/2009 8:13 AM

After seeing this picture I am planing to change my job to driver.

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03/22/2009 8:16 AM

spell correction, Read Right As Wright

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03/22/2009 9:41 AM

Please. let's not start correcting grammar. That would be a full time job for many of us.

I am truly amazed at the creative ways people butcher the English language when posting.

My life will be perfectly fine without ever using Jugad in another sentence. We are talking English here, after all.

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03/22/2009 10:48 AM

Correction, we are "talking" American, a bastardized version of English, here.

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03/22/2009 11:09 AM

Don't think I've ever heard that one before.

So, could you say that "American" is a "Jugaded" version of "English"? Not sure of the grammar. I have enough trouble with American/English grammar.

Is that right, OP?♣

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03/30/2009 10:01 AM

Actually, American is generally 17th century English with considerable modernization.

Subsequent to the 17th century, the English revised their spelling to make it look more French eg "nite" became "night", "omelet" became "omlette" etc.

You could argue that "American" is a purer form of the language than "English".

(Note, I didn't say that argument would be correct, just that the argument could be made)

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03/24/2009 3:27 AM

So are you going to decline the title Guru that you will obtain as soon as you reaches on 500post? As thats not English origin word,

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03/22/2009 11:02 AM

One word of Indian origin I was highly amused to learn is "Shivambu".

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03/22/2009 11:33 PM

A waste of time just reading this nonsense!!

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03/23/2009 2:11 AM

This is true what you say!

Namaste'

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03/23/2009 4:23 AM

Wait until PlbMak sees that thing!

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03/23/2009 7:47 AM

No, no. You've all got it completely wrong.

This is obviously some new vehicle that Blink has come up with.

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03/23/2009 11:39 AM

Actually, my vehicles tend to look less polished than this one: chewing gum is my preferred adhesive -- whereas a lot of the structure on this jugad appears to be welded and bolted together: both are methods I consider "high tech just to show off". You'll note that the driver looks pretty relaxed on the jugad, suggesting that the vehicle is probably adequately safe... maybe too safe.

In contrast, here is a pic of a test driver that I paid to try out my vehicle:

We've been working on throttle and brake response. In each case, I am using a switch for control, in the interests of simplicity. (Proportional control is something to which coddled people now feel "entitled", but clearly all that's really needed is a "go" command and a "stop" command.)

Although some would complain that this makes control a little too abrupt, you can see that the test driver below appears to be surviving just fine. Our vehicle is not intended to have the feel of a Rolls Royce -- it is intended for the ordinary needs of everyday commuters, not royalty, and the pictures below are good evidence that the ride may not be "oh-so-cushy" but certainly plenty comfortable enough for most purposes. Clearly, the driver is comfortable in picture (i). The others are obviously over-dramatized, and, sad to say, were actually used (in a discouraging turn of events) by the driver to argue for a raise. Whatever happened to employee loyalty? Rest assured that this driver was disciplined for spending to much time driving with his eyes closed.

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03/23/2009 8:28 AM

Hi Rakesh,

Jugad is name given to crude machines developed by poor Indian village mechanics.They do not have money to buy new machines so they create cheap solutions for their problems, The vehicle you have shown is used mostly northern India, it is not a registered vehicle it is used by poor farmers to carry their produce to local market or carry people to the feild. I do not think any of our members except from poor countries would be interested in knowing such products.

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03/23/2009 12:26 PM

I do not think any of our members except from poor countries would be interested in knowing such products.

Actually, I am not from a poor country, but I find the term and the concept interesting, nevertheless. There is great benefit, I think, in learning words and perspectives from other cultures. I recently spent some time speaking with a potential vendor from China (who spoke far better English than I spoke Chinese) and he talked about how learning a western language gave him a different way of thinking about things, which he found valuable. He made the good point that different languages can reflect different logic systems, and I said to him that even among western languages we can see this: In French, the adjective follows the noun, but in English it leads; in German every noun is capitalized, in English only "proper nouns".

Here, we have several terms for putting things together in a less than fully-engineered way. "Kluge" or "kludge" means thrown together quickly without a lot of planning. "Mickey Mouse" is perhaps a step below kluge. Oddly enough, Micky Mouse is an admired cultural icon here, and Disney Land and Disney World (and other Disney enterprises) are very well-run.

In Finland, when people want to say that something is crude or thrown together, they say "Russian style."

Here in the US, we have few small farms left, but farmers are well-known and generally respected for their ability to simply make things work with what they have available: there are lots of farmers who are good welders and mechanics and they are a demographic that industrial concerns seek out when planning a new plant location.

Here in the US, it is simple for most people to go out and buy a new truck, when the old one seems not so shiny (and unbelievably, in comparison to the practice in many other countries, a car or truck is often replaced with a new one at 3 year intervals.) I admire those who can extend the life of mechanical things by constructing a jugad, rather than simply throwing things out, the way we do here.

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03/29/2009 11:30 AM

Some further terms in use for a while: 'Lash-up', used for the rope and bubble gum prototype or emergency repairs at sea, Jury-rig, kind of like an electrical engineers 'breadboard' and emergency repairs. Closest to Jugad is the term 'cornbinder' used exclusively for those 'units' that International Harvester made using a combination of parts from various manufacturers. You absolutely HAD to have a copy of the Line Ticket is you wanted to get parts for one. It was amazing how they could 'cobb' together parts from AMC, GMC, Chrysler, FO-MO Co. etc.

I too am respecful of the inginuity of third worlders. After all, 'Charlie' did a number on us in Vietnam. I did learn enough of thier language to alter my way of thinking, for which I am grateful.

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03/23/2009 9:09 AM

Rakesh, the terms you are looking to replace are "prototype" or "proof-of-concept". (also "pile of crap" is often used, but only for junk like that shown above)

These have been in common use for well over a century. You are unlikely to force us to change.

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03/23/2009 12:27 PM

FYI, the Wright Brothers (yes, I observed your self-correction - thank you!) did NOT build a quick-&-dirty machine from castoff items; they designed every detail quite carefully, calculating forces, strengths required, even designing and building their own engine from scratch because there were no powerplants in existence with sufficient horsepower and light enough in weight. Their 1903 Flyer would come much closer to the opposite meaning from jugad - it was something carefully and purpose-built. Think about details: they had to invent the airplane propeller, a VERY different thing from existing water propellers. This involved inventing the mathematical descriptions (what reference frame do you use for an item spiraling through a compressible medium?), understanding that it is in fact a lift-generating device and not a fan, designing ones to use the appropriate amount of power while providing the needed thrust at the speed where the wings would work, and understanding the use of counter-rotating props to eliminate gyroscopic forces. There were literally hundreds of details that they had to get right in order to have a man-carrying, powered, contollable, flying machine. They studied all available literature, but had to run their own experiments in order to correct tabular data that was incorrect, but had been accepted - or developed - by other would-be inventors.

I have no bias against using / re-using materials, assemblies, and devices in order to do a quick assessment as to whether something will work, or to perform a temporary task - I probably do so more often than ANYONE else where I work (about 100 people) - but this is NOT a good example of what I understand the term to mean.

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