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How to Learn Hungarian

03/27/2009 2:15 AM

Hi people. Now I know this question has absolutely nothing to do with engineering. BUT, I am stuck and need help. I am Hungarian (and proud of it) but was born outside of Hungary. My parents never taught me the language and I am now busy learning it. I was using Pimsleur, which is excellent. Only problem is that they have only made 30 lessons and not the usual 100 (Level 1,2,3 and advanced). I have imported a huge dictionary from overseas, as in SA you don't get anything on Hungarian. Here is the problem. In the dictionary it shows you the words and the meaning, but not the word extensions that are added to change the word, like család, családom, családja etc…Does anyone here know where I can join a chat group or something to better my language skills? If I can compile my own phrase book of basic sentences I am sure it will also help. My plan is to leave South Africa with my family to Hungary and I don't want to get there and not know what to say. I also speak intermediate German. I am a Hungarian citizen as I have already got passports/birth certificates for my 3 boys and myself. Even my marriage is registered in Hungary and my wife will get citizenship within 3 years of arriving in Hungary. I want my kids to grow up/study in Europe. I know it is a very difficult language to learn but somehow I am learning it pretty quick. I have downloaded everything I could find on Google and own various books, phrase books, but they all contain more or less the same info. It is more for the travelling market. Nothing is teaching me formal conversational Hungarian. Please help.

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03/27/2009 9:04 AM
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03/28/2009 2:41 AM

Hi Conrads,

learning a new language can be very tough if you don't get to use it daily.

books, CDs, can help a bit, but won't get you very far, as you've already said. so my suggestion is to get in touch with your countrymen and let them help you.

here are a few of them:

  • Hungarian Club;
  • Hungarian organizations;
  • Hungarian radio stations & press clubs;
  • Churches & congregations;
  • Trade & commerce bodies.

I'm sure they'll only be too eager to help. nothin' like hearing it the language from real people themselves.

HTH!

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03/30/2009 2:10 AM

Hi Znpyro. The country is big trouble now days.....?? How in trouble? Money, crime, recession?? Let me give you an insight in SA. An all black corrupt government runs it. Crime is so common that people say, "Oh, it doesn't matter that my car is gone and my house is robbed empty, we are still alive and that is what counts". The criminals come into your house, armed to the teeth, rob you, rape the woman and then get away. IF they are arrested, a lot of the time, the police enquiry disappears. They are taking land from the farmers and giving it to land claimers. These claimers then don't farm anything on the land. The medical system has collapsed. The police and traffic police are constantly in the news for assault or even robbery etc… The municipal systems have collapsed, so services are really poor. The country is in recession and our government officials still deny it. Our interest rate is still 13%. Taxes are sky high. We don't go out at night for in fear. We live behind 6-foot walls with electric fencing on top so nobody can clime over. Our houses have burglar bars and are fully alarmed connected to armed response. You get highjacked in daylight at robots as if it is nothing. Not one day goes by in SA where there is not somebody killed in a violent attack. The road system has collapsed and roads are really bad. Public transport I don't even want to mention. Schooling is so bad; the marks get adjusted to get the kids through school. There is a quota system at university. They only allow a certain percentage (very low) of white kids to study medical, engineering etc… The rest of the quota is for all the other groups. So, if you finished school with 7 distinctions and you are white and the quote is full they will rather put a black understudied pupil in university. People come over our borders from neighbouring countries to rob us and the government does nothing I can go on and write a book about SA but I am sure you get the picture. I don't think in Hungary it is even close.

I thank you for sending me links to learn the language. I really appreciate it and will make work of it.

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03/28/2009 6:00 AM

Hi, Conrads!

One of my classmates from Iran spoke fluent Canadian English with no accent. He told me he learned it by singing along with hit songs on the radio, listening to the news and watching commercials on TV. He would practice the phrases he heard until he had a sense of their place in the language. When in doubt, he'd ask a fluent English speaker.

As there is probably not any Hungarian radio in SA, you can probably listen in/watch via the internet. And you may know some folks fluent in the language for pointers.

Choose love songs and crooning, not rap or other types of songs where the language you hear will be twisted and full of vulgarities (with a Hungarian gangsta version of Brooklynese).

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03/28/2009 6:30 AM

Hungarian Radio (Magyar Rádió, MR) on the net: http://real1.radio.hu/bartok/

(MR-1 Kossuth; MR-2 Petofi; MR-3 Bartok)

Television (live): http://www.dunatv.hu/musor/elo

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03/28/2009 6:24 AM

This way... by softwares, radios, books etc., you will take more than a year to learn.

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Just move to hungery, without worrying that you know no hungerian, you will learn it in 3 months.

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03/28/2009 6:46 AM

Hi Conrads,

You could always do what I did, I went and lived and worked in four different countries for two years or more in each country and learned their languages perfectly!

That way you learn their language like a child in that country would!!!

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03/28/2009 9:53 AM

Really want to learn in no time... Get yourself a Hungarian girlfriend, they are beautiful, sensual and most do speak the lenguage pretty well...and never stop talking... (maybe just for couple of minutes if you are the right guy) Wangito.

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03/28/2009 10:10 AM

Hi Conrads,

I've been using a book with 2 cds I had shipped over from Florida, USA to learn Hungarian myself. They had a good emphasis on grammar, which is what you said you need. The author was Katalin Boros.

Now, since you're moving there soon, you can just go ahead and learn it there. From my experience, if you don't use what you learn, it doesn't stick.

Also different people learn languages at different rates, so give yourself time. Sometimes, your kids might get ahead of you, just because of their age.

Hope this helps and succes!

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03/28/2009 4:15 PM

Shortwave radio? Would also help you keep up on news there.

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03/30/2009 12:09 AM

Hi,

I am Hungarian, my wife German. She learned Hungarian in 1986-88. It was only book and tape available at that time. Years after that we moved around the world, so she lost some of that.

The endings are kind of regular, a result of the gram. What is difficult for learning is the binding vocal between the word and the ending. Example: get that DOG (akusativ) >> kapd el a KUTYAT (dog=kutya). But get that BOY >> Kapd el a FIUT (boy=fiu). Get that LETTER >> Kapd meg a LEVELET (letter=level).

This what you mean.

The rule would be here:

T is the sign of akusativ (get something). So, you have to hang that to the end, I guess you have figured this out in your studies. If the word ends on vocal, you just add the T... this is the simple case to learn. but this is the difficult... If ends with cons. you have to put a binding vocal between end and the T. Why is the binding vocal changing and what rule follows? If the word is deep vocalic (like KUTYA), the binding vocal will be deep vocalic too. If high vocalic, the binding vocal is high vocalic too (like LEVEL).

This rule is pretty much the same for all endings (also by using the past, signed in Hungarian with T or TT ending on a verb).

This is not so difficult to learn in praxis as it sounds and most foreigners get it use correct pretty quick, once in HUN.

I hope it helps

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03/30/2009 2:19 AM

I thank all of you for the great responce. I really appreciate it. I just have to learn the language. It should have been my native language. It will help me when I move, and the move will take place, it is only a matter of time. I need to get my kids out of this country. I am also learning German at the same time and have come quite a way already. I am picking the 2 languages up much quicker than I thought. So it seems I am fortunate in language learning or it is just beacause I really work hard at it.

Again, thx all. And thx for saying I can mail if I need help. I just knew I would get the right direction here.

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03/30/2009 5:16 AM

Hi Conrads,

I would recommend this language school: http://www.shetland.hu/en_index.htm . The owner of the school is a blind lady who gives lectures in several universities in the UK. I've known her for 20 years, she always tries to fulfil the highest standards. They also have "Grammar Newsletters", you can subscribe on the shetland@shetland.hu address.

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03/30/2009 5:22 AM

I also can help you in Hungarian conversation, of course.

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03/30/2009 5:39 AM

Köszönöm szépen

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03/30/2009 6:26 AM

Szívesen :-)

A mail-címem: laszlo dot biro at axelero dot hu

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03/05/2010 7:24 AM

Hey!

i would just like to encourage you to learn hungarian and keep at it and whatever you do.. DONT GIVE UP! It's really hard, honestly i know because i learned it :)

I have been living here in Hungary for 10 years with my family due to my parent's job. They are missionaries and are working directly with hungarians on almost a daily basis. I go to a hungarian/english church, have lots of hungarian friends and am always downtown in the city. I LOVE HUNGARY!

That is really cool that you are moving your family.

Hungarian is really hard to learn and the easiest way to learn it is to GET into the culture and really BE in the country and study on the side. learning like 10-20 vocab words a day helped me alot. Just a small tip and i hope this helps.

are you in hungary now?

good luck!

-Rachael

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07/14/2010 11:13 AM

the "addage" you are looking for is grammar so it will not be in any dictionary. I know it changes at times (irreguarities) but for the most time it follows a pretty strict rule structure. You may be looking for a hungarian grammar book, as grammar is an essential element of hungarian. (conjugation, objective, subjective, tenses, verb order etc..BUT no genders like in german!!- so at least it's easier)

család will be in the dictionary....."o" is added for easier prononciation to connect to the grammar following the word. "m" is grammar for "my" but as you will see also used for conjugating "my actions". EG: "ir" (write) "iroM" (I write sg) Similarly, családja = család+ja..."ja" is grammar "his/hers" and as logc dictates it conjugating "his/her actions" EG: "irJA" (he/she write sg)

so as you can tell hungarian has a system it's just complex and often has exceptions. (which i tried to avoid here for ease of illustration) don't let the big words scare you it's a bunch of stuff jammed together, just deconstruct. try to read novels that you already read in english, where the grammar will be understood from the surroundings. It will be easy to pick up by the end of the book. I'd recommend "Egri Csillagok" by Gárdonyi Ge'za.

BEST of luck in hungary!!

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