discussions on "HOW" we can test the "JOHN HENRY"

You must be really pissed off about something.

The only problem I have is a don't know what you are talking about.

If it makes you feel better, I'm all for 87 octane, and measuring the liquid fuel used will provide the liquid fuel not used by subtraction, if you know the starting quantity of liquid fuel. But, if you want to measure both, go ahead.

I'm really slow. Could you tell me why you are ranting?

i guess CAPTIALS mean I am mad?... sorry about that... I am not mad just wanted to get back on topic....

this was the old discussion http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/35580#newcomments

OK,

I didn't know.

Hi Ben

I have followed what was going on and just had enough of the unproductive overall tone at the end of the OP.

I think that some one had suggested to use a different container for the fuel. Why use the original tank if you could use a clear calibrated (mm/inch) glass flask. Just disconnect the line out from tank and duplicate a similar situation using the said flask.

This would not only give you a final reading but intermediate and on the run readings. You could then see how the fuel flows at different revs etc. The finer the calibration the more accurate the readings. I have no link for you but I remember seeing them in all sizes.

I'm going away over Easter and no communication will be possible. Unless you can hear the sound of a bush drum from were you are. I will keep following this because at some stage I will have to take the same hurdle. My suggestion is what I will be using but mine is a different approach to what you are doing like I have mentioned.

I admire your tenacity and congratulate you and your Dad for working together on this project.

Happy Easter to you and your loved ones and keep it up. Your wives (if any) need a break from this too so take it easy for a while. I know from my own experience that they carry as hard with this as you two do.

Good luck and all the best, Ky.

thanks KY.....

We tryed to measure fuel with an external tank... the results were the same all the time, because we needed to use the variable speed fuel pump that was in the original gas tank.... this pump gets information from the computer on the car in testing... and adjusts accordingly...

MY dad had a good idea on how we can get accurate measusrements...I am just waiting for him to post it him self...

as long as CR4 is still "willing" TEST.... if not it all could be a waste of time...

Here is a simple way to measure fuel ,.... all we have to do is get 4 or5 in-line clear fuel filters for a couple of bucks each , cut into the supply line ,... attach these filters with some neoprene hose and clamps..{this will make sure nothing from the bottom of the fuel tank gets into the motor}.... ,

Start car , run till it stops ,..{run till empty} add 1 gallon of fuel and run till it stalls - Now you know how much fuel it used and how many miles it went on the dyno , controlled conditions , controlled load .. with that done... attach hydrogen cell , add a gallon of fuel , start car , and run till it stalls ,.. question did it run longer on the first test or the second ... there's your answer .. It "should" run 20% longer and further.... If filters began to dirty up during runs from sediment in the tank , take one off there's still 3-4 filters there to do the job .. this will be accurate measurement as far as I can see...

Does any see any problems with this method ? thanks for your imput

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all we have to do is get 4 or5 in-line clear fuel filters for a couple of bucks each , cut into the supply line ,... attach these filters with some neoprene hose and clamps..{this will make sure nothing from the bottom of the fuel tank gets into the motor}....

The Fuel injection system in Ken's Honda has a High Pressure (above 40PSI), chopping up the line isn't recommended, and I don't think standard Neoprene hose is rated for the higher peaks, also the Fuel injection system has a return line for surplus fuel to be returned to the tank.

If You want to use a separate Tank like a fuel cell sold @ SummitRacing.com it has to have the proper fittings for output, as well as return, but Summit does have one Gallon tanks, and the "High Pressure" pump can be a unit that is external from the Tank.

Of course it is expensive, This 1 Gallon Tank is over $60, and would still need compatible connectors, and the "External Pump" that can be hooked to the supply line, as well as the Car's wiring;

If You think of it the other way around, You could find a compatible Pump, and use it with a 1 gallon Milk jug with 2 hoses (out/return) fed into the spout.

But NO Smoking around it, okay?

hmmm... well "fuel line" should be used and the return line can stay the way it is...

we have tried the external tank before.... it needs the exact pump that is on the Honda and wired the same....

we need to figure out some thing.... I do not trust the scan gauge at all... Dennis lee used one to prove that that car was getting 57.77 mpg... but when the fuel was measured by the EPA it only got 34..... same as the base mpg...

most hho scammers sell scan gauges with there unit... so I don't trust them at all

Yeah the same type of pump in the external Tank is a +, You could find one on eBay...

But if You are using an External Tank You MUST hook the "Return" line to the External Tank also, otherwise the "Surplus" Fuel that is sent back at the Intake Manifold will still be going back to the IN-CAR Tank.

well since we would have to cut fuel lines any way.... we could just add the in line filters to the fuel line , and use the tank on the car, and leave the return line alone ....

we can put one gallon in and run it till it stalls...

.... for example.... it it ran for 10 Min's on a half gallon, and stalled...

with the hho it should run for 12 Min's on the next half gallon.... I am sure we would have distance traveled as well as horse power info

thanks good sir

this was wriiten by a smart guy...

I am happy to see others become more constructive instead of dismissing this as just another hoax. The goal of all of this head bashing should be an approved method for verifying results as agreed upon by a group of peers. If we can all agree on the test criteria and how to perform the tests we will be much closer to a verified result. I think a dyno reading is necessary to prove the test results, but there should be a way that ANYONE can do the tests prior to finding and paying for a dyno test.

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onecraftydude

"HOW" we can test the "JOHN HENRY""

I will tell you how.... GO SOME WHERE ELSE FOR TESTING....

THANKS ANY WAY

sorry I did not really mean that after thinking about it...

it was rude and I am sorry... I was disappointed