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Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/02/2009 12:42 AM

Dear friends,We have an application wherin process temperature is 1500 deg cen and process pressure to be measured is 2 Bar abs. But here the problem is the PT we are using cann' withstand temp more than 85 deg cen.So, we planned to use ss 304 inpulse tube of ID = 10 mm & OD = 12 mm,in the form of coil to thermally insulate our PT.

But the problem is we dont hav the exact calculation which can tell us about the length of such impulse tube to get desired drop in temperature. Some of answers which might crop up with there answers -

a.) Will the connection point see direct radiation?

Yes,the connection point will see direction radiation and we are using nipple of ss 304 with chemical insulation to enable it to withstand high temperature.

b.) Is there water cooling?

As of now if didn't done any water cooling but yes,its in our plan in case we didn't get desired drop.We are planning for thermo syphon.

c.) What is surface temperature of the equipment?
We have a thick isolation.surface temperature would be maximum 100 deg cen.

d.) Is the connection point above the unit or on the side?

We will install the impulse line horizontally to the connection point and on other end there will be out PT.

e.) Will there be good air flow?

Yes,its in open area.

f.) What will be the maximum ambient temperature?

It would be 45 deg maximum.

Please suggest.

Regards

Sushant Chanana

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/02/2009 1:39 AM

Hello Guest,

  1. How much does the pressure fluctuate?
  2. How often does your system need to know what the pressure is?

A non-insulated tube with sufficient ID and far enough away from the process would give you good pressure measurement as long as pressures are not wildly fluctuating quickly. If the process vessel is insulated, a 2-foot section of 1/4" tubing should be enough to keep the PT below its max temp constraints in STP conditions.

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/02/2009 10:37 PM

is there any volatile in the process stream that will condense/solidify in the cool loop? If so, make the loop uphill, so it will drain back. Even a capillary tube will suffice if the process stream is gaseous.

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/04/2009 10:30 AM

Beware of condensation, this is a common problem in my experience when dealing with hot lines. We had it happen in flue gas applications and steam applications where we would either condense liquid in the impulse lines or precipitate solids. We had to modify our standard instrumentation installation to deal with these problems.

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/02/2009 10:53 PM

PT we are using cann' withstand temp more than 85 deg cen.?? Do you mean Thermocoule? what type are you using?

I believe here you use an "R" Type with ceremic well to withstand such high temperature.

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/03/2009 9:16 PM

I believe by PT Sushant Chanana you mean Pressure Transducer.

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/04/2009 9:21 AM

From the information provided, my take is that if you are interested in slowly changing pressures, you can use a coil of stainless steel tubing to connect the transducer to the process (as long as the coils don't touch each other). If pressure transients are to be measured, or rapid dynamic response is required, the nature of the problem changes and you will need to do some engineering.

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Re: Pressure measurement at a very high Temperature

05/04/2009 9:51 AM

Alternate solutions.

1) Instead of using impulse tube, utilize know metal with calculated thermal expansion.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-expansion-metals-d_859.html

Measure thermal expansion. Here's an example solution site.

http://www.flexial.com/sensors.html

then calculate pressure from expansion rate.

When looking at these types of problems, from a management and maintenance view, look into simple solutions requiring minimum maintenance.

2)Use infrared camera to calculate pressure.

http://www.dias-infrared.de/index.php/index.php?lang=en

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