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Steam Tables: Specific Enthalpy vs. Specific Entropy

05/18/2009 7:54 AM

What does the Specific entropy indicate in Steam table?

I really get confused with Specific enthalpy and Specific entropy, then what is the difference between these two when it come to Steam table.

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Re: Steam table

05/18/2009 8:54 AM

Enthalpy is what one has to put in to get to the pressure and temperature the table says: sensible heat (temperature) plus latent heat (phase change), referenced to the zero point on the scale, which is usually defined as the triple point. So, if one wants, say, saturated steam at 2 barg, then 2706.2kJ of energy has to be supplied, relative to the zero point, for every kg of steam made. It's also the amount of energy that comes out, relative to the zero point, for every kg of steam that condenses and cools to the zero point. It has immediate, daily, practical uses for doing energy balances on all sorts of things that have water/steam in them, and can be used to calculate the thermodynamic efficiency of those operations should the need arise.

As far as this CR4 subscriber's experience is concerned, the number of times that entropy figures from the tables have been practically useful in the last 30-odd years may be counted on the fingers of one hand, not including the thumb <scratches around to revise entropy from a textbook on thermodynamics.....>. Perhaps other readers will enlighten and educate?

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Re: Steam table

05/19/2009 10:03 PM

The only thing I would add is that specific entropy can be useful in identifying the direction in which the process will be driven.

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Re: Steam Tables: Specific Enthalpy vs. Specific Entropy

05/18/2009 3:42 PM

if you visit these two sites for NASA you will find full answer for your question and more topics dealing with thermodynamics definitions

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/enthalpy.html

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/entropy.html

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Re: Steam Tables: Specific Enthalpy vs. Specific Entropy

05/19/2009 3:10 AM

Hi Ktrone,

Adding to the mentioned sites,you can also use the following referance :

Steam,its generation and use,40th edition,ISBNO-9634570-0-4.

This referance is issued by babcock & Wilcox co.

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Re: Steam Tables: Specific Enthalpy vs. Specific Entropy

05/20/2009 2:58 AM

Hi Ktrone,

Adding to my comment #3 and regarding the term Entropy:

In Rankine ideal cycle,the expantion process in a steam turbine is called isentropic i.e.the one during which the Entropy of the system remains constant.In real Rankine cycle Entropy is increasing which means disorder in the system.The target of the mechanical engineers is to use the isentropic process as a referance to their efforts to improve the thermal efficiency of the real Rankine cycle.

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