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05/18/2009 8:57 PM

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The spherical objects in the photo average about 1 inch (2.5 cm) in diameter. What are they and how were they made?

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05/18/2009 9:45 PM

Taconite. Minnesota. Ore is finely ground, magnetically separated, pelletized using water then baked, loaded onto ore boats or e rail cars and shipped to blast furnace. 60% minimum iron content. used to make steel. My first 6 years in the steel business were spent shoveling the little buggers.

1" sounds a little on the large side. I'm thinking 5/8's" typical.

see figures 2-1 -2-whatever here:

http://www.epa.gov/ttnmain1/ecas/regdata/IPs/Taconite_IP.pdf

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05/18/2009 10:03 PM

Milo--

You are unlikely to find any taconite where these came from.

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05/18/2009 10:57 PM

Will be interested to see your solution.

I'll see if I can find some pellets to photgraph...

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05/19/2009 12:38 AM

Melon balls from a camouflaged cantaloupe.

Dung beetle candy.

They're from Andre', Arnold, GHW Bush, and Pee Wee Herman.

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05/19/2009 12:46 AM

C'mon Tippy .... they're almost the same color as your cat.

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05/19/2009 8:12 AM

Too smooth for undersea manganese nodules unless perhaps these were surf polished?

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05/19/2009 1:13 PM

If they came from a rabbit or hare, I know quite well what they are!

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05/19/2009 1:33 PM

At 1", That would be some Rabbit!

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05/19/2009 1:37 PM

They did not come from a rabbit, hare or similar herbivorous animal. Nor are they undersea manganese nodules.

Hint: Their average specific gravity is less than that of the planet Jupiter and they can be deformed with moderate finger pressure. Here is a closeup picture of one of the larger spheres:

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05/19/2009 11:19 PM

Looks like a textile ball of some sort!?!

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05/20/2009 12:38 AM

I do see what appear to be fibers of sorts in the last picture I posted that could lead you to think that way.

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05/19/2009 1:45 PM

Oh yeah; I forgot to say that they are not kidney or bladder stones from a large mammal, marine or land.

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05/19/2009 2:13 PM

Chocolate rum balls!

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05/19/2009 3:33 PM

Gray chocolate? A chocolate rum ball would not have survived in my house long enough to get its picture taken. These things are not what we normally consider to be edible although I think the human digestive processes are sufficient to may it possible for one big one or perhaps two of the smaller ones to complete the transit between inlet and outlet.

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05/19/2009 3:55 PM

When my kid makes 'em (cause I used to haul them in to work for holidays) he uses bourbon saturation levels that won't actually let the powdered sugar remain undissolved, so yeah - gray.

Stickey, too - but no one minds

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05/19/2009 3:58 PM

Isn't there a drafting gum that resembles those?

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05/19/2009 11:09 PM

Are they the cores out of some sort of ball?

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05/20/2009 12:31 AM

Not as far as I know. I suppose anything is possible; but the origin being the core of some sort of ball seems highly unlikely,

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05/19/2009 11:31 PM

they look like jute balls. maybe for as filling material?

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05/20/2009 12:36 AM

No jute there. I suppose if you had enough of them they could serve a purpose as a filling material. The original substance from which the were made is from time to time used as a makeshift filling material. I know of no specific commercial applications, however.

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05/20/2009 12:47 AM

the only other thing i can think of is felt material

(or maybe they are made from marble powder? )

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They look like spun fibre used for insulation ... something like felt, possibly more common in Europe, wouldn't you say?

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05/20/2009 12:52 AM

They look like little balls of felt. Like wool felt. Although you did mention that they did not come from any herbivorous animal---? Just a guess. Ryna C.

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05/20/2009 1:08 AM

Lint balls made in the tray of a GE washing machine while washing!

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05/20/2009 2:19 AM

AZ -- Good answer. Same stuff, different machine.

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I'll be damned

lint balls

No credit due - really had to walk us by the hand - kudos to AZ and the rest got us to fibers

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05/20/2009 11:59 AM

edignan -- Good answer for providing definitive corroborative evidence.

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05/20/2009 12:57 PM

Drag me down the hall far enough.....

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05/20/2009 1:15 AM

Raptor puke. Owls and raptors puke out the hair and down feathers from thier prey in these balls.

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05/20/2009 11:22 AM

Pellets, please

Raptors do not puke

They are called "pellets" and are "disgorged" not "puked".

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05/20/2009 9:54 AM

They look like steel ball shots from a copper mine's ball mill.

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05/20/2009 11:16 AM

Lint balls from a dryer?

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05/20/2009 11:42 AM

lint balls formed by rolling around in the exhaust line of your dryer.

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05/20/2009 12:40 PM

The planetoids came out of the three injection molded fins mounted on the inside of the dryer drum.

The dryer was one of the somewhat notorious GE squeakers that though still otherwise operational are put to an early merciful death. (Google search "GE clothes dryer squeak")

In ways this appliance could be regarded as a great physical fitness machine. Once the howling would start all sentient life forms in the house were strongly motivated to leave and engage in some sort of outdoor activity.

As a design commentary as well as an appropriate indictment of the machine's creators I'll add some comments about observations gained during the autopsy and preparation for recycling. The dryer drum, a large formed sheet steel cylinder, has grooves to guide the drive belt. The plastic fins are mounted with three sheet metal screws inside the drum spanning the inner shape of these grooves. Given the necessary production tolerances on each mating part it is not possible to achieve a fit that would prevent lint from entering the now enclosed area formed by the cored inside of the fin. Worthy of note is that the Whirlpool dryer designers realized belt grooves in the drum are not needed. Simple flanges on the motor pulley suffice to guide the belt. So their fins are supported better, are therefore smaller and fit the smooth inner surface of the drum with a closed fit.

When I removed the fins from the drum of the GE squeaker I could actually see various stages of the formation of the balls ranging from a loose mass just starting to congeal into a discrete form all the way to a near perfect ball of some age. Seeing this one is given to wonder about the exact nature of the process by which such spherical masses form. I suspect there is some obscure moderately scholarly (no differential equations, please) discussion of the subject, perhaps in a Scientific American magazine issue long forgotten.

Anyhow, this has been fun. Thanks to all who participated. I've got a couple of other enigmas waiting in the wings. One is a railroad "thingee" that so far has proven to be a real mystery to me and other rail fans.

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I still find it extraordinary they came out of the fins....

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05/21/2009 9:42 AM

From Your mentioning Jupiter one could conclude they are Naphtalene balls used to kill moths, and they look similar to sandstone balls used for fine polishing of surfaces of metal products and glass plates.....

In a word, insuficcient and misleading hints.

Are You guys have nothing else to do?

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05/21/2009 9:52 AM

Nothing else to do?

In between solving ALL the problems of the world we occasionally goof off a bit.

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So happy goofing, whatever that may be!

May I know what World problems are You solving right now, or more easier question: what problems You have solved till now, gurudevi?

If I have such means that are at disposal of US citizens, (like no trouble getting government Grants or donations from big companies) there would be much less problems to solve by now.......

I am trying to patent (or atleast fill Patent Application) new kind of Wind and Solar Power stations (and dozen or two others), but even if I am countryman of great engineer Nikola Tesla, I cannot find my Mr. Westinghouse..........

I contacted them, but they did not even answered my mail :-((

I contacted INTEL, who is gratest buyer of >>green<< energy, but they are not interested at all! Obviously they invested heavily into contemporary >>green<< Power Stations, and now appearance of much cheaper PSs that would produce much cheaper electricity would make their investments obsolete.........

Any advice what shall I do?

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05/21/2009 4:44 PM

- to define the solution to all the world's problems is not the same as to implement the solution to all the worlds problems.

If I have such means that are at disposal of US citizens

Ah, but if it were that easy....

that would produce much cheaper electricity would make their investments obsolete..

Even the home owner has this fear.

I fear in any country getting from idea to marketplace is very hard.

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Sir Edignan, it depend on actuall idea, wether it is just inovation or radicaly new. Some inovation are not ecconomic to introduce if benefits are not substantiall, and surely not if implementation cost more that positive difference produced.

In time when everyone look for some source of >>green energy<< that is also cheap to produce, I would need just to demonstrate that it works and produce that much cheaper electricity. In fact, just from describing advantages to some companies, I got request for Proforma Invoice, and if I had thing patented, I would start selling Production Licenses to all countries very fast.

Unfortunately my computers are at they top performances on bare minimum required by software for virtuall prototyping, so I need to replace them, and software is also expensive (SC TETRA is being rented for 15 000 US $ per year, for instance) so even if total amount need not be greater than 100 000 US $, which is big amount for me, it is price of better middle class car in US, so surely any company in good standing would be able to invest that much....? Of course, if there would be plenty of money then really top of the line computers like HP ITANIUM2 INTEGRITY RX5670BTCO or SUPREDOME could be bought, and regular HDs replaced by much faster SSD drives, then WACOM Graphire or Cintiq LCD graphic tablets could be bought and so on, but for present situation strong configuration compatible with software for simulation would be enough, even if this would not cheap either.

Anyhow, most important thing is to find investor that would recognize benefits and understand that this has to work, because whole is made out of allready invented parts (if we drop out my turbines to shorten time to make prototype), only nobody has put those parts together in that particular way.........

But, those people that would understand do not have money, and those who have money (at least here) do not understand what is it all about :-((

Those who have money and get glimpse of how much money can be earned become greedy and want to take patents away from me, to which I cannot consent......

To produce my Windpower stations one has to be just mechanic able to screw things together and perhaps solder a bit, and only part that cannot be made at home would be electricity generator.

In regard to production, I have one factory that produce three phase motors and generators ready to start production as soon as I apply for patent and it would be sure that nobody invented such thing before, because that way they would be able to sell generators as part of complete product, and of course much more motors as well......

So I have it all planed out, and I just need small investor that would have understanding and enthusiasm to help the World while geting rich in process.........

In that regards US citizens are in drastically better position than citizens of Croatia, and because donations and grants are tax deductible in twice bigger amount, it is a way to save money that would othervise go to State Treasury, and rich people are hard parting with their (specially if earned) money. So they are seeking to whom to give grants, or so I was told by some US citizens...... Here government tax grants more than regular profit :-((

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So a middle class US car costs $100,000 according to you!!!

I am sure that many US citizens will be most happy to tell you that you are completely wrong by probably by around 5:1 or even more........!!! maybe in 10 to 20 years you will be right!!! Or earlier if the bottom drops out of the US Dollar......

Henrik14,

you have to stop your unsubtle advertising here, few of us are interested in your ideas. None of us will give you money (or anyone else either)......

As I have said before, if your ideas are at all interesting and full of value, then the world will come to you. If they aren't doing that, something is wrong with your ideas.

But this is definitely the wrong place to keep pushing your ideas. You just P**S everybody off each time........

Remember, you need a stupid man with a lot of money, here on CR4 you only have clever men with no money, OK?

Please take notice of the (dozens of) hint(s) you have been given....

Refine your product with the resources you have or give up, there is little other choice.....

Thanks in advance for listening to me....but do please take this friendly advice to heart as CR4 is NOT seen by the CR4 Admin as the place for such advertising either......remember that.

Also, do not try and be rude to me (as you already have in the past) either just because I give you some friendly advice.

Rudeness to anyone here is also something that CR4 Admin is not happy about either......have a good day and I wish you well in your endeavours.

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Dear coleague,

I realy dont have habit to be rude to anyone and I try to be as polite as possible. Unfortunately English is not moy native language, so perhaps sometime I write something that could be understood in a way that is far from intended. Since English is not Your native language either, perhaps this is why misunderstanding is more probable.......

In any case, I profoundly apologize if You find Yourself offended, as this was never my intention.

Maybe You are more informed than me about US middle class and cars they are buying, but I hope You would agree that even in Germany there are cars that cost that much and cars that cost much more?

Next, You keep misinterpreting my intentions and obviously dont get my message correctly, and as usuall there is little understanding from people who have money for those who have not. I dont agree that I need stupid and rich investor like You say, as such would not understand what I am talking about.

Last, I had impresion (sorry if that is my misunderstanding) that CR4 is place where Engineers help other Engineers, and that is why I keep asking for help here.

Now kindly explain to me how do You imagine that World would come to me if my ideas are good, if I cannot reveal them before they are patented, and I need money to patent them?

Sorry that I cannot take Your advice, because hardware I have is old and on bare minimum of requirements stated by application builders, and still more offten under required minimum. I would not quit either as I would rather be dead, because if I quit, what would I do and live for?

It would be much more productive if my coleagues, including You, take positive approach instead of negative one, as IMHO, from negative approach we can get only NO results instead of solution to problem.

I keep addresing CR4 members because I believe that my inventions would benefit the World, and would also bring more workplaces for engineers as well.......

On other hand, I see that some quietly take my proposed projects and work on their realization, without even asking permision and much less offering some compensation for originator of idea.

So perhaps I should stop giving solutions to world problems for free and mind my own business like You suggest....:-((

I came to CR4 expecting to give and get support, but it seems I met only misunderstanding, negative attitudes and plain jealousy, for which I am teribly sorry.........

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Stop advertising here please.

Stop pestering us for finance please.

Learn to use the free spelling checker, your "Engish" will look far better.

Don't play the injured CR4 colleague either because I tell you correctly what you are doing wrongly.

remember, as long as you are trying to get money from us, you are not a colleague of any sort.....

There are plenty of "suckers" on the internet to use, very few (if any) here!!

I bet you have not got even one "Red Cent" from any CR4 people......and you never will either......eg.you are just wasting every one's time......including yours....

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Unfortunately with download of MS Explorer #8 my GOOGLE Toolbar dissapeared, and with it spelling checker I used regularily, and same spelling checker have found no spelling erors in my English texts more offten than not.........

I guess we have discussed this allready, and when I have run the spelling checker on posts You were complaining about as >>bad English<<, I have found NO errors made!

Therefore Your remarks have no grounding in facts, and You just want to buly me :-((

Thanks a lot!

Really I am surprised by Your attitude and plain misinterpreting and misunderstanding of my motives!

1st. I am NOT advertising anything but asking for help......

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3rd. I honestly believe that mass production of cheap electricity can change state of everybody's finances, as demand for fossile fuels would drop if there is plenty of cheap electricity available, therefore their prices would drop also. Since energy is one of costs that is included in any kind (baring handiwork) of production, cheap electricity would make all industriall products to be produced cheaper, which would bring more profit to factory or if they drop selling prices, enable people to buy more products. Increased marketing would lead to increased demand and that in turn to increase in production, which translates into more workplaces and more salary paid. People who earn their salary can pay their mortgages so they would not lose their homes to the Banks, and Banks would not colapse bringing Insurance companies down as well. State Budget would be filled with more taxes paid from more products sold, so everybody should benefit, if my logic is worth anything........ Then also countries producing >>green<< energy would earn >>Carbon Credits<< and clean their air also, specially if they introduce mass production of electromobiles.

4th. This all would benefit engineers all around the world, trough direct and indirect employment, dont You think so?

Therefore, I canot understand such hostile stance You are taking toward me.

What should I say or do that You would understand?

I would really like that You see my good intentions, but You see just opposite!

Last of all, nobody force You to read my posts if You dont like them, and I address here such inteligent people that would understand what I am talking about, who would understand implications and influence that my inventions would bring, which would also help me to realize it all.

Somebody told me there is core group of around 150 engineers here, so I call now public voting about my posts, and if at least 50 of them vote againest me, I shall stop posting here completely!

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Here is your last post with the error words underlined by me. By the way, the spelling checker is part of CR4, just above where I am writing now!! Its an "ABC" with a "Tick" in green.......that's how simple spell checking is on CR4.....nothing to do with IE or any other browser......just simple common sense.....

Here is what you wrote:-

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Unfortunately with download of MS Explorer #8 my GOOGLE Toolbar dissapeared, and with it spelling checker I used regularily, and same spelling checker have found no spelling erors in my English texts more offten than not.........

I guess we have discussed this allready, and when I have run the spelling checker on posts You were complaining about as >>bad English<<, I have found NO errors made!

Therefore Your remarks have no grounding in facts, and You just want to buly me :-((

Thanks a lot!

Really I am surprised by Your attitude and plain misinterpreting and misunderstanding of my motives!

1st. I am NOT advertising anything but asking for help......

2nd. I am not asking for financing from CR4 members (but I dont preclude it either) but help in finding Investor or Sponsor for my inventions......

3rd. I honestly believe that mass production of cheap electricity can change state of everybody's finances, as demand for fossile fuels would drop if there is plenty of cheap electricity available, therefore their prices would drop also. Since energy is one of costs that is included in any kind (baring handiwork) of production, cheap electricity would make all industriall products to be produced cheaper, which would bring more profit to factory or if they drop selling prices, enable people to buy more products. Increased marketing would lead to increased demand and that in turn to increase in production, which translates into more workplaces and more salary paid. People who earn their salary can pay their mortgages so they would not lose their homes to the Banks, and Banks would not colapse bringing Insurance companies down as well. State Budget would be filled with more taxes paid from more products sold, so everybody should benefit, if my logic is worth anything........ Then also countries producing >>green<< energy would earn >>Carbon Credits<< and clean their air also, specially if they introduce mass production of electromobiles.

4th. This all would benefit engineers all around the world, trough direct and indirect employment, dont You think so?

Therefore, I canot understand such hostile stance You are taking toward me.

What should I say or do that You would understand?

I would really like that You see my good intentions, but You see just opposite!

Last of all, nobody force You to read my posts if You dont like them, and I address here such inteligent people that would understand what I am talking about, who would understand implications and influence that my inventions would bring, which would also help me to realize it all.

Somebody told me there is core group of around 150 engineers here, so I call now public voting about my posts, and if at least 50 of them vote againest me, I shall stop posting here completely!

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I have marked most (if not all) the words you spelt wrongly. Your grammar cannot be helped by CR4 sadly, at least not at the moment.......mine neither!!

I doubt that 50 people are even reading this blog, so you have set a very safe (for you) number.....I would say if you get ANY negative OT points, its an indication that you are off base.....

Have you not wondered why people are not supporting you in your ridiculous claims, advertising and pleas for money?????? Or are you completely immune to such things/feelings?

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05/23/2009 12:30 AM

Sorry, I never used CR4 spelling checker but one from GOOGLE Toolbar that have disappeared, probably because I downloaded EXPLORER #8.

Okay, if this would put your heart in right place, I would use the CR4 spelling checker from now on! Just kindly take note that this spelling checker is not 100% complete nor correct, as it has no word >>Toolbar<< for instance, and many more words.......

I don't see why You underlined >>You<< in my sentences? I am writing it with capital letter to show You respect, as is custom in my country, and how I was teached when I learned English.

No wonder I made mistakes when You upset me the way You do...... However, I have seen much worse writing and You complain only about MY English :-(( I must say that so far people only commented how my English is good, and for You neither spelling nor grammar is correct :-((

Anyhow, why don't You try to understand what I am writing instead of nitpicking about my spelling of words?

If something look ridiculous to You, then perhaps I did not explain it properly or I could not give explanation because it would reveal whole idea before it is patented, which I cannot afford to do.

Since I have made small prototypes and things work as expected, I say that >>ridiculous<< things with confidence. I also put my good name and reputation on line asking man who called me scammer to just enable me to prove that my system work as I described, and if it would not work, how can I earn any money?

Naturally, I would explain to Investor(s) all details and show my prototypes, after they sign NDA, that is......

You seems to not read what I write, as You keep repeating I am advertising something and begging for money, while I am asking for help in finding Investor, and naturally must at least describe benefits or advantages of my ideas..........

Since this is so, I would have to start ignoring any posts coming from You, as it seems that we cannot understand each other, or at least You cannot understand me.

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Marijan Pollak, IT SA/SE 1st. Class, Instructor and Team Leader (retired)

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05/23/2009 5:57 AM

For your information, the word "you" in English is only spelt with a large "Y" when beginning a sentence.....your English teacher taught you wrongly......which is why I marked it as wrong.....

You also wrote "No wonder I made mistakes when You upset me the way You do". Blaming someone else for your mistakes shows a weak (childish?) intellect. Stay responsible for yourself at all times, its good for your character....

All I am asking is that if you would be so nice as to not "Push" your products/inventions here and to use a simple spell checker that will help you considerably in being correctly understood by others who are also as not so proficient in English (CR4 is a world wide read blog). I personally can read and usually work out what you meant......but when words are spelt wrongly, others may not be able to look those words up and understand them....try and understand that.....

You protest and protest all the time. You seem to have forgotten that this blog is not for you anyway, it was started by someone else for completely different reasons, you could be accused of being rude by many people here for "Hijacking".......not good.

I am personally leaving this blog, as you have ruined what was a nice easy fun thing with your appalling manners (and spelling!)

Please be aware that if I personally see you trying to "drum up business" for your invention(s) on CR4 again (which I am certain is against CR4 rules if I remember correctly), I will be reporting you to the admin.....I will just let them deal with it and you as they see fit.....in a worse case situation, you might even be completely banned. Is it worth the risk to you?

So do not bother "ranting" further here against me, as by the time you read this, I will be gone from this particular blog for good. Sad, because it was good and funny until you showed up....

Please also remember that any emails you may send to me of an unfriendly nature will of course also be immediately reported to the admin as well.....you have now been warned.

No more chances, except to be nice to your fellow CR4 members and to follow the rules....and be one of the CR4 people that we all gladly read and work with, just like the rest of us.....

Have a great weekend.

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Hey Henrik14,

the problem with M$ IE 8 is your scripting is automatically turned off.

In the upper right hand corner and click on "Tools"

At the bottom of the Tools options, click on internet options

Click on the security tab on the top

Click on the internet icon then adjust your default level of security or custom level (by clicking on the appropriate bars. Custom you will need to turn each scripting form on.

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"Are You guys have nothing else to do?"

Nope. Now that we are done crying over the sad fate of Tesla I figured a bit of play was a good idea.

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Why did You not invite me to mourning?

I would told You my countryman was having excelent fate because he was having chance to materialize his dreams, where most of us have no such luck......

He also had Mr. Westinghouse to support and finance him, then Mr. Morgan (even if that last was just goofing with Tesla), so I would exchange my fate for his, >>at drop of hat<< as You Americans say.......

Time would show full extent of his genius, and his only misfortune was that he has had nobody that he could talk to and be understood.........

So, You deliberately mentioned Jupiter to mislead seekers for answer, or it was just first association You had?

I hope next time riddle would have some usefull implementation when solved........

Did You know that in South American continent they have find similar balls made of stone, from 1/2" to 1 meter in diameter (and perhaps bigger but there was no referent on pictures) in hundreds of places in jungle, and so round that even woth contemporary technology we would be hard put to produce them?

Still nobody know what use or purpose they may have had.........

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It's amazing what lint balls can spawn

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Well, the subject was kind of hijacked. What are you going to do? Someone with his own agenda can break into any topic when ever he wants. Just the way CR-4 works. The up side is that this forum does allow us to freely present viewpoints that others don't agree with and lets other participants freely post counterpoints. I'm not discouraged at all.

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I usually enjoy the tangents; it's just interesting how far afield a topic can stray.

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Where's PlbMak when needed?

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Not sure if the 'Planetoids' is meant literally Ed, but they look to be fairly regular, true and accurate spheres. What are they made of? Ah, but that is part of the question (< 8)

I can see that they have a somewhat mottled surface and a conglomerated composition: like a bunch of jelly beans or whatever pressed together into a ball but not so much that they actually totally lost the original initial shape of the separate pieces.

Could be pieces of molten material ejected from a volcano or a large explosion at a very high speed and them spinning at a rapid rate while congealing. Could likewise perhaps be small meteorites that ended up with that shape for the same reason. Though they don't look like any meteorites that I have ever seen. Thinking about the toilets in aircraft as well LoL Maybe you have a large dog or small horse that has constipation problems? (< 8)

Chunks of charcoal that rolled down a smooth mountain side. Though when is the last time any of us say a mountain like that? OK: a long paved hill then? But then the soft brittle charcoal would more likely just break down into little irregular chunks and dust.

Could be (injection) molded or forged/pressed into that shape. Though I don't see any tell tale sprue from something like lost wax castings or the seam between the 2 halves of the mold. Doubtful that a molded object would have that sort of 'amlgamation' of a bunch of small pieces though.

Centerless grinding?

or hardened from the molten state while rapidly rotating in a strong stream of gaseous substance such as air, nitrogen etc. I've heard that ball bearings are made this way. At least the initial stages of forming them anyway.

I worked in one very high end machine shop where the owner was telling me about actually finishing fully hardened bearings turning them on lathes! That would be have to be one tough cutting tool and getting the desired finish would be difficult to say the least. Personally I'm skeptical, but perhaps for VERY large bearings?

Most materials that are really hard tend to be quite brittle. Ceramics included. Just like your once favorite coffee mug that you dropped. I saw one demonstration of a ceramic that was very hard but was also very tough and shatter resistant as well. They had a sphere made out of it somewhat bigger than a golf ball but smaller than a tennis or a hardball. They had it set on a concrete floor and someone gave it a good hard wallop with a sledge hammer! YIKES! Can you say 'deadly shrapnel'? Not surprisingly it shattered some of the concrete surface. The ceramic sphere: not a scratch! I don't know anymore about it. For someone with some experience and understanding of such materials, definitely a 'wow' one for me (< 8)

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