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laser cutter for stones (granite)

05/30/2009 10:52 AM

HI, i know it is possible to make a cutter for metal by PC scanner, is it possible make it for stones, it must be a portable about 50kg max

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Re: laser cutter for stones (granite)

05/30/2009 6:14 PM

Cutting Stone with Water and Light

Lasers and waterjets open up whole new worlds of stone-cutting to the creative sign builder

By Charlie Fletcher
Reprinted with permission from Sign Builder Illustrated

Engraving and cutting in stone have come a long way since the times of the mallet, chisel, and saw. Today's computer technology has opened up lucrative new areas of business for sign makers, and when you add in the fact that prices for stone have fallen dramatically in recent years, you have the makings of a great new product line for your sign shop-making stone artwork for the commercial and residential markets.


Paul West, sales manager for Crone Monument, in Memphis, Tennessee, has watched in wonder as his commercial and residential signmaking business has gone from nearly nothing to about 25 percent of his business in about five years with no active marketing. "I guess it went from monuments to civic memorials, and then we'd done enough of this stuff that people started getting to know us and contractors started coming looking for our work," he says. On the other hand, the architectural industry is waking up to stone, says Mark Eisenwinter, administrative manager for Granite City Tool Company of Barre, Vermont. "More and more commercial and residential projects are using granite," he says. "The reason is that there's a lot of stone imported from India and China on the market." The imported granite is so cheap, in fact, that the price differential between the stone and tile or Formica countertops Eisenwinter sells is nearly nonexistent. What's more, imported granites have brought a rainbow of new colors into play for designers-blacks, reds, and pinks that were rarely seen in the United States until now. Best of all, modern computers, lasers, waterjets, and CNC controls bring into play a whole palette of new techniques that will not only allow you to be more creative, but create finished art more cheaply than ever before. At the foundation of any modern stone cutting operation is the computer. For some work, it may be necessary to invest in a CAD program to work in three dimensions, but many successful designers are simply producing their artwork using programs such as CorelDraw, Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop, or Macromedia FreeHand, all of which produce two-dimensional output. You see, today's most advanced stone-cutting devices are really just fancy printing devices for your computer. "I had a venture capitalist from Silicon Valley here taking a look at my operation a while back," says Jim Bellilove, CEO, president, and director of Creative Edge Corporation, of Fairfield, Iowa. "This guy had been involved in a number of computer company startups. He took a look at our waterjet system and how it was running jobs off the computer and said, 'This is the most amazing output device I've ever seen.'" Two stone-cutting tools stand out from the rest to bring you the widest range of artistic capabilities: the laser engraver and the abrasive waterjet. Neither tool is terribly new on the market. However, with materials costs coming down and labor savings taken into account, both are becoming logical choices for the craftsman who is serious about stone. Laser engraving systems are excellent tools for etching small letters and high-quality graphics onto black granite, says Scott Steckman, president of Steckman Memorials. Steckman had been etching portraits onto granite for many years using the services of a staff artist who did the work by hand. "We'd had a lot of problems with the artist's interpretation. Sometimes people didn't think the etchings looked like the people they were supposed to represent," he says. "Also, the cost of having an artist do that is high in comparison to the cost of doing it with a laser." Steckman now etches digitized artwork, photographs, drawings, whatever the job calls for right onto the stone. The art can be etched at resolutions as high as 1,200 dots per inch in 256 shades of gray. It's literally photo-realistic art printed on stone. Steckman finds the laser engraver particularly useful for etching small type sizes onto stone. Although he still uses sandblasting for most of the lettering he engraves, when it comes to letters less than 1/4-inch high, Steckman goes to the laser. In fact, the laser engraver can successfully etch legible letters onto stone at sizes ranging down to 1/16-inch in height. Because the system is computerized, you can set your type in any font you desire. Most laser engraving systems use carbon-dioxide lasers at a wattage between 10 watts and 100 watts. However, the best results for etching granite are achieved with 25-watt or 50-watt systems, according to Josh Siegel, sales and marketing director for Vinyl Technologies, Inc., of Littleton, Massachusetts. The company markets a line of laser engravers under the VyTek brand that are especially designed for large-format work, such as stone engraving. "We find that we get the best results with the laser when it's operating at full power," Siegel says. "If you're operating the machine at, say, 25 percent of full power, we've found that you won't get a high-quality beam. Since you only need 25 watts to 50 watts to etch stone, we recommend that power for our engraving systems." Laser can cut quite deeply into stone, if the design calls for it, says Siegel. Although it is also possible to cut completely through stone with a laser engraver, because the beam can only cut about 1/8 of an inch deep on each pass, it's really not practical for stone cutting. The reason is simple: the process would take too long. The laser systems can also be used to engrave artwork onto urns and other rounded surfaces with the use of a special rotary engraving attachment. The rotary attachment takes over one axis of the machine's two-axis controls, rotating the work as needed to keep it properly positioned under the laser beam. Lasers are good for cutting all sorts of hard materials, not just granite. You can also use a laser to cut marble and ceramic tile. But don't try to cut glass or metal; both will produce disastrous results and can even damage the laser.
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Re: laser cutter for stones (granite)

06/02/2009 11:12 AM

HI

thank you for help but this cutter it will bee used od field where is no lab equipmentjust power source is it posible

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06/02/2009 9:26 PM

Do you want to cut thick stone into slabs (for example, making granite countertops) or just etch designs on them?

If you just want to etch them, it shouldn't be too hard to find a two-axis mount for a laser unit. A high end laptop should be able to run the CADD/CAM software to instruct the laser where to burn.

Now, actually cutting granite slabs with a laser- that's a problem. A high power diode laser will spall granite: http://www.industrial-lasers.com/display_article/159194/39/ARCHI/none/Feat/Laser-surface-treatment-of-dimension-stones

If you used a single-axis mount set up to simply move the laser back and forth at a set speed on a straight line, it should in theory eventually cut through a granite slab. You might need a (very small) air compressor to blow the granite chips clear of the cut as the laser works. Whether this would be fast enough to be practical, or if the tradeoff in speed would make up for the elimination of tool costs, you will need to figure out for yourself.

If the single-axis unit works to cut granite slabs, then the two-axis unit would be able to cut them into intricate shapes.

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12/22/2019 2:47 PM

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Re: laser cutter for stones (granite)

12/23/2019 3:45 PM

It is possible to cut SOME stone material with some LASER machines. I read an article a while ago about using a CO2 LASER to cut natural granite that was 10mm thick, but it required a supersonic gas jet around the LASER beam, likely to blow out the material to keep it from building up. Here is a link to the article, but if you are not already a member, it will cost you to read it.

The issue that gets in the way of things like this is the false image given to us by Science Fiction of "beams" from guns that disintegrate solid matter. No such beam exists. LASER cutters work by heating up materials to the point of melting or sublimation (changing from a solid directly to a gas without passing through a liquid stage). Rock would not likely be subject to sublimation, so you will have to deal with molten rock particles in the cutting process, hence the high pressure gas stream (it would have to be an inert gas like argon to avoid having the gas burn, i.e. you cannot use plain air). So CAN you find a LASER that will cut 10mm thick stone slabs? Yes. Will the entire system weigh only 50kg? Highly unlikely considering that you will need a source of high pressure gas to go with it.

There are portable water jet cutting systems, but again, the 50kg limit is not likely, because you need a water source, pump, filters, grit and a lot of power.

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Re: laser cutter for stones (granite)

12/31/2019 9:44 AM

As I understand it, the laser creates heat to melt the product being cut. The pressured air, usually an inert gas, is used to blow the melt away.

There are a number of issues; I really don’t see how a laser can cut stone with the heat being applied without thermal shock to the stone.

Now waterjet I can see, and there are portable units also.

If you recall the child Jessica McClure (Midland, Texas) that fell into a well 20-30 years ago, one of the oil rigs had a portable waterjet that could be used to get to the girl, but it was turned down big if there was a fissure, it would harm the girl.

But remember: a portable waterjet requires a lot of energy.

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