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Connecting a Moving Coil Meter to a 4-20mA Signal

06/28/2009 3:36 PM

I hooked up a moving coil dc meter to a 4-20mA signal in the hope that it would display my loop current value, as I could see it on my digital Fluke meter. On the Fluke dc mAmp scale it shows 12mA but nothing displays on the analogue moving coil meter. Is this due to the impedance of the meter and how can I overcome this? This moving coil meter does work when I drive it with a Fluke process calibration unit. The voltage I get from the Allan Bradley analogue output is between 0v to 5v dc.

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Re: How to connect moving coil meter to 4-20mA signal.

06/28/2009 7:12 PM

What resistance do you measure, using the Fluke DMM to look at the moving coil meter (nothing else in circuit)?

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06/30/2009 2:12 AM

Hi, when measuring the resistance over the mA meter`s terminals, I get on my Fluke 2Mega Ohms??? I know this sounds bizaar, since an amp meter shouldn`t have any resistance or very little, but a volt meter should have high resistance.

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06/30/2009 2:36 AM

Sounds bizaar? Sounds more like broken. If the needle isn't bent from wrapping on the stop pin, someone may have applied ac to it and fried it.

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06/30/2009 9:39 AM

There are two fuses (one per input current range) for all Fluke multimeters models that I have used. Since the fuse only exist in the ammeter circuit, you've probably had it blown for awhile and not known it.

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06/30/2009 12:53 PM

You say that you used a Fluke meter set to measure resistance of the meter and got 2 megOhms.

If it is a Voltmeter and if the needle moves freely and is was not resting tightly on the peg the Ohm meter connected should have at least caused a small deflection.

A 50 microamp 2 megohm meter would take 100 Volts DC full scale.

I previously mentioned that the meter face usually has information about what the numbers on the scale represents with multipliers or shunts installed and/or the actual meter movement characteristic like "50uA FS" unless it has been modified since.

How about some more info to work with?

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06/28/2009 10:59 PM

Measure the resistance of the moving coil meter out of circuit then monitor the voltage across the meter. I=V/R.

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06/28/2009 11:58 PM

"On the Fluke dc mAmp scale it shows 12mA but nothing displays on the analogue moving coil meter."

Did you connect the Fluke meter set to measure current and the moving coil Amp Meter in series and apply a current? Current on the Fluke but nil on the analog meter?

What current from the Fluke Process Cal unit made the meter needle move?

Most analog meters show their current rating on the meter face near the movement. Sometimes people put current shunts inside them and don't record the new value.

I have received new D'Arsenval Meters that had no connection at all.

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06/29/2009 3:22 AM

Are these two meters wired in series or in parallel?

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06/29/2009 3:58 AM

Sounds like he put them in parallel. Current meters must be put in series.

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06/29/2009 8:15 AM

Quite.

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06/29/2009 10:55 AM

It also sounds like the digital meter has a lower input impedance.

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06/29/2009 12:52 PM

Of course, but really a minor issue since hooking ammeters in parallel is not a good plan from the start. In theory you could simply add the two readings but practically speaking it's a bad idea.

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06/29/2009 1:05 PM

Of course ammeters should be used in series to get confirming results. I was just trying to add another layer of detail for others to figure out what is happening. Particularly why two parallel ammeters that ideally should have no resistance would not display an even distribution of current. A simple application of KCL, KVL and either loop or mesh analysis will inform a novice what happened.

I was merely dotting some i's and crossing some t's for those unfamiliar or unwilling to do the task.

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06/29/2009 5:05 PM

No such thing as an ideal ammeter, they all have resistance and often different for different meters. I often need to meter down to micro-amps and most meters insert anywhere from 100 to 1000 ohms to read that low. Problems arise when it is a circuit that then "wakes up" and goes into 10's of milliamps but crashes since the series resistance drops too much voltage. Moving vein meter probably has more resistance to operate than solid state meter that doesn't require as much power to move a mechanical component.

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Re: Connecting a Moving Coil Meter to a 4-20mA Signal

06/29/2009 11:08 PM

try a 250 ohm resister in the loop

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