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Development Debate – An Engineer's Perspective

07/03/2009 5:40 AM

The illustration above speaks for itself. This is the twenty first year (in a total of thirty eight years) of the writer's journey through space-time continuum of human livelihood conditions (mainly based on interaction in the various dilapidated villages in India). As student of Mechanical Engineering (1966 – 1971), a large part of the "brain-time" had been directed to "learn" the fundamentals of all the sciences/ techniques/ technologies that had been developed from the period of Industrial revolution through the twentieth century. As life progressed through societal and other connected interactions, the realities of the distance between the lip and the cup became more visible. And, all throughout, somethings pricked the conscience: What is engineering? Why did we learn engineering? Is engineering just talking and developing "marketable" high-tech? Are we (engineers) merely supposed to obey and do what is asked of us, and get paid for that? Should we be mute spectators when resources are plundered and "wrongly" used? Are we the real culprits creating Global Warming, or are we mere tools in some one else's hands? If we are involved in creating Technology and resultant development, why are there more poor people (about 75% of population) than people living in better conditions? Why is Africa the poorest, although the continent has nearly half the world's resources? Why do we allow alien agricultural species in such regions as Africa, Asia and Oceania, merely to "export" to the "developed" world, knowing fully well that this would destroy local species? Why should Coffee/ Tea/ Vanilla/ Rubber and the like be grown in India, Malaysia, and other nations, knowing full well that all these are alien species? (note: all such alien "things" were forced on these regions, using local people as "slave labor", and the produces cheaply exported back to the "developed world"... some thing that happened for more than 400 years from the Victorian/ Vasco da Gamma eras)

It is felt that, at a time the world leaders and all business groups vie with one another in one-upmanship to "sell" ideas and gadgets in the name of Green technology/ products, engineers would have to own at least some part of the moral responsibility on having been part of the system that created the "problems" resulting in Global Warming. Is selling LED lamps or PV based solar systems in the dilapidated villages of India and Africa the answer to the world's problems of Global Warming and Poverty? How could we contribute toward rectifying these wrongs? Or is to too much of negative and skeptical cynicism to think/ act on mitigating such effects? Could we be happy and simply accept that the UN's MDG (Millennium Development Goals) and other Global Warming and Poverty alleviation programs are appropriate enough, and we engineers can do nothing about these? What does an average engineer think/ feel about these?

It is felt that there is a dire need now, to debate on the various interactions of Technical, Societal, Environmental and Economics impacts involved in human development activities – from an engineer's vantage view-point.

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Re: DEVELOPMENT DEBATE – An Engineer's Perspective

07/03/2009 5:47 AM

<...What does an average engineer think/ feel about these?...>

Scratches head, wondering what an 'average engineer' is.....

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07/03/2009 9:58 AM

An average engineer is one located zero standard deviations from the population of engineers mean.

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07/06/2009 4:34 AM

Scratches head, wondering what a 'mean engineer' means.....

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07/06/2009 9:26 AM

Mean engineer (mn nj-nîr) 1) The guy on the front of the train that speeds up to hit water buffalo standing on tracks; 2) The guy on the front of the train that pulls the steam whistle right beside the same house in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night every time he passes for no other reason; 3) the genius at GM that designed and approved the scheme requiring that one pull the engine in order to change the 2 back spark plugs; 4) the IEEE responsible for the protocol for setting time on one's VCR; 5) The engineer at the prime meridian in Greenwich at midnight; 6) The middle engineer in an odd numbered list of engineers; 7) The person that is meant when someone intends to say (means) 'engineer'; 8) Herbert_Hoover .

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07/07/2009 2:57 AM

Gotta love that! GA!

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07/07/2009 7:58 AM

Hi Milo,

Nice article by Herbert, true to life.My younger brother did his M.E (Structural) from WPI in year 1968. Nice Institute.

Suresh Sharma.

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07/03/2009 10:13 AM

pvhramani,

I use two lenses to evaluate actions.

"what is the object of the act?" is the first.

"does it improve the quality of life for human beings? is the second.

Without a doubt there are unintended consequences which may be negative for some as a result of benefitting others.

and without a doubt there are certain 'systemic frictional factors' such as profits or taxes to support a bureaucracy for supervision' that result in less of the advantages of a technology getting to those who may need it. But these factors are part and parcel with our eceonomy and psychology: with out reward, we will take no risk.

The use of semantically negative terms to name people "mafias" "Usurpers" assures high emotional content rather than a fact and data based response.

Pareto observed back in the 18XX's the 80 20 rule.

And this engineer wonders why it is that you are feeling as you do about the fact that it seems to be operant today as well?

finally I would add that 100% of the world population are still vulnerable to our biological limits- death by disease, etc. true, some more vulnerable than others without access to resources , medical care etc..

The issue I beleive is for each of us to take actions create one's own destiny to move oneself and ones family to the area of the distribution where one would prefer to be. those actions should be consistent with the two lense questions I asked above.The frictional losses of trying to " order it so" for the masses will be far greater than those in the current situation. (think soviet style planning writ large)

If all of us took responsibility for our own success, I believe that we could infact "move the distribution.

But we don't so it is what it is.

Thanks for asking.

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07/03/2009 5:44 PM

Corruption is a big part of the problem...

Why is it that Nigeria does not have the same living standards as Kuwait?

Corruption.

Why is it that Mexico does not have the same living standards as the USA?

Corruption.

Are there engineering solutions to the problems identified in the OP?

Yes indeed.

What will keep them from being implemented?

Corruption.

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07/03/2009 11:55 PM

As much as I liked Milo's response, I agree more with you on the reason why we are mired in this muck, and it feels like we are all in the handbasket on the highway to hell. so GA.

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07/05/2009 6:16 AM

It's a shame but you are absolutely right...

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Re: Development Debate – An Engineer's Perspective

07/04/2009 9:13 AM

Hi pyharamani,

Problem posted by you is very complex it does not have simple answer. Many have attempted to eliminate poverty but rarely succeeded. Moreover it is relative term. If you consider that everyone should have food, clothing, & house to get rid of poverty then it means we have to produce billion tonnes of more food grains, billion meters of more fabric, and billions of more houses to be built. Well communists tried to do this but failed. Even to-day China is flush with money but it is not able to do so.

Road blocks are many such as Politicians, corruption, lethargy, lack of education etc. If you have road map then you are welcome to implement it, we will support you.

Suresh Sharma.

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07/24/2009 1:07 PM

GA, Suresh! If we're going to eliminate poverty, then we need to produce the resources to supply the needs of the population re: food, clean water, clothing, shelter, etc. Sustainable technology is the key to getting that bottom 75% of the population producing enough to support themselves.

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