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Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/08/2009 10:33 AM

I need an electrical engineer or two maybe three who knows something about power grids. At this time no one is powering Pivot Irrigation systems with Wind Turbine Mills and or solar. I would like to be the first here in Al Anbar Iraq.

I have a project of 25 deep well (Depth 200m to 350m) the only way to get the water out of the ground at this depth is by Vertical Turbine Pumps, power is 380v/50hz at 9.0kw, quantity 25. Pivots are 380v/50hz at 8.0kw quantity 25.

How many Wind Turbine Mills (1.5mw) do I need to power this equipment? It must be AC and I'm looking at long term to power the village of Al Nukhaib (Google Earth 30Degrees 03'23"N, 42Degrees15'45"E) between 45 and 90km from the irrigation fields. I will need the info on transfer/transformer stations as well, line gage and all the other little items that are required.

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Re: Need help with cost and power requirements!

07/08/2009 11:41 AM

Rather than electric drive, you might want to consider direct drive. The windmill can be connected to a rotating shaft that turns the pump directly. It might save a lot of wiring.

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Re: Need help with cost and power requirements!

07/08/2009 3:29 PM

Ditto. Wind mills were used to pump water long before electric motors were invented.

On the other hand, if you want to supply electricity for other uses, there are many companies around the world which would love to sell you something.

A good place to start looking at technology and feasibility is the Energy Information Administration's website http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/solar.renewables/page/wind/wind.html

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/08/2009 7:26 PM

You should hire an expert instead of asking strangers to design your system for you.

At least you could fire him if he gave you bogus information.

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/08/2009 7:36 PM

Stay with your "electrical" idea I would not recommend to use a direct drive for 200 to 350 m depth. Direct drives are used for low depth and very often for piston pumps not with turbine pumps which require a higher speed.

As you see you should be careful with the way you accept or not comments. Unfortunately many comments are qualitative and neglect the quantitative aspect.

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/08/2009 10:40 PM

Hi,

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Maybe you would like to purchase some wind turbines to build your wind mills and I think in that case we will be your good choice. Pls. have a look at our website. www.chinahummer.cn/eng

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/09/2009 12:25 AM

Try Aeromore Windmills at http://www.aermotorwindmill.com/.

These have been in use since the 1800s in the High Plains region of the US pumping water from similar depths. Low tech, but effective.

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/09/2009 1:57 AM

Hi JRO

CR4 need some more information! First a few questions

What is the size of your pivots?

What is your irrigation requirements? or

What is your crop and evaporation rate and rainfall?

Now for a bit of figures based on guessing:

At 1.5 l/s/ha and 80 ha you may require 120 l/s per pivot

maybe 12000 m³/ha/year.

How constant is the wind?

Long ago i did some irrigation using wind power. A 25' wheel windmill (reciprocating) pumping from a similar depth could not manage 0.5 ha. (small but the fodder was worth the weight in gold in the arid area)

(A ha is 100m x 100m)

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/09/2009 3:36 AM

If there is any hill close to the fields , I would recommend to create a water reservoir [a pool],the water from the wells should be pumped to the elevated pool when wind is,and then you can use the water by gravitaition even when no wind is with a constant water pressure.

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/09/2009 3:50 AM

You should be building the capacity of the local DG of Ag and the DG of Electricity. The DG of Wells is responsible for the maintenance of the pumps and generators and maintaining the wells so you also need to talk to him. Therefore meet with the three of them and tell them that this is what you are proposing to do for Al Anbar Province. Tell them, don't ask, that if they want the project to go forward that they will need to contribute the engineering design work for the project as a contribution in kind. You are either doing this with CERF money or a fund that I am unaware of but either way you need the Iraqis to buy in to the project and to contribute the engineering work for you. Doing it all for them is going to result in 25 more wells with stolen pumps, generators and no maintenance. BTW, have you tested the salt content of the water at that depth? Do you have title to the land that you intend to put these wells and windmills on and is it public property? Will the wells be public property or will they become the property of the farmer in which case you are violating a few regulations.

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/09/2009 11:32 AM

Yeah, like I am stupid enough to go to Iraq and become a target for every crazy in the middle east to build windmills... If you find anyone that stupid, they are too stupid to provide any help on your project.

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/10/2009 1:47 AM

Contact purna.design@gmail.com for detailed services

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Re: Wind-Powered Irrigation Systems in Iraq

07/11/2009 3:35 PM

Hello JRO,

Welcome to the forum.

A 300 meter deep pump power requirement cannot be 9 kw. Please check again at the kw of the pump. What is the flowrate of the pump?

I would say for a 1000 gpm pump electric power would be 350 kw.

Now

a) What is the starting method of the pump? I would suggest a softstarter.

b) Are you planning for one pump for one pivot? If yes then 3 pump-pivot set can be catered one wind mill of 1.5 mw ( although this would mean a lot of cabling a pivot is normally of 500 metres diameter).

c) Actually if you can PM me the pump motor details and your email address i can make a layout and send it to you.

d) What is the electrical load at present of Alnukhaib?

cheers.

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