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Repetitive Questions

07/25/2009 11:20 PM

There are several questions that are asked on a systematic basis on the CR4 site. the one I find annoying is "What is the rolling margin of reinforcement steel".

Does anyone else have a bugbear about repetitive questions?

A solution might be to automatically recognise certain key words and send an automatic reply saying "Please search CR4 for an answer to your question as this topic already exists and has been answered very well" with a link to the best answer.

Is this something that is already done or could be done?

I just had a look to see if this topic was already covered (after having originally posted it) which just goes to show that I have a big bit of timber in my own eye!

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07/25/2009 11:56 PM

some thing like this what annoy me most-

"Hi guys i am in final year of my ----------i am doing -----------, can you plzzzzzzz-- send me a topic for my project? "

Just an example.

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07/27/2009 1:51 AM

Hello rs,

"some thing like this what annoy me most- "Hi guys i am in final year of my ----------i am doing -----------, can you plzzzzzzz-- send me a topic for my project?

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I wonder if these kind of people ever get through University and get a job, when they cannot figure how to get the info from the millions of books and, millions of sites on-line? Makes you wonder for sure.............

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07/28/2009 8:34 AM

"can you plzzzzzzz--"

Anyone else hate text type when speed typing is not necessary?

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07/29/2009 2:36 PM

No use for it, especially with spell check.

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07/29/2009 11:07 AM

Yes thats what wonder me.

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07/29/2009 11:51 AM

Hello RS,

Hope you are fine, and you do not mind me using a couple of letters rather than your whole name?

Yes thats what wonder me.

Thanks for the reply post my friend!

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07/26/2009 1:30 AM

Despite being a noOb here, I find the questions raised are sometimes humorous, "I am in charge of a nuclear power plant, what are the safety requirements regards cable loading?"

25% of questions are from students after a quick answer, "what is torque?"

25% of questions are from people who cannot find the "SEARCH ALL OF CR4" button

25% of questions are from mentally challenged "guests", "...how to build a 5-tonne crane?"

the remainder are genuine thinkers and tinkerers, who probably won't see the end of their natural life, due to being vapourized in their latest experiment

...I believe by memory, "fieldlines" has a similar program in use that uses the solution on offer and questioned by the OP, omw7. It works, has the option of going ahead with a post submission despite the question allready being covered. Be ready for some flaming if you get busted being too lazy to search

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07/26/2009 10:39 PM

In what category does this one belong - awesome!

"wolksvagen ducumentacion"

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07/27/2009 1:46 AM

Hello CO,

I can and do get a bit 'miffed' when the question you quote "I am in charge of a nuclear power plant, what are the safety requirements regards cable loading?"...............

I do not recall many posts but, there was one, where a person was 'in charge' of safety on an Oil Rig asked how many fire extinguishers he needed!

Really does make you wonder if he was truthful when applying for the Job?

Others with almost a couple of single words expect to be helped and some like this have 'lost it' and became very angry when no answers were forthcoming.......surprise, surprise!

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07/27/2009 1:53 AM

Hi CO,

Good words Sir, GA to you.

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07/26/2009 8:31 AM

JUST IGNORE THEM!!! And they will go away.

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07/26/2009 11:32 PM

These are Humans... that strategy was disproved in 1939.

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07/26/2009 11:56 PM

On occasion, I encounter a thread with really significant (for me) information in it. What I will do is save the entire thread, then run it through a general text editor to eliminate the flames, jokes, and obviously incorrect responses, and save the file as a future reference. Were this a subscription type forum, perhaps one could encourage management to do something similar, and then many of the common questions would have a "summary page" to which the questioner could be referred.

Ultimately, one could wind up with a "text book", but, then, who would own the content? Furthermore, am I violating anyone's sense of ethics by collecting these words of wisdom from this open forum? Note- I do not share these synopses with others- they are for my use only...No way I can remember which thread from six months ago contained a reference that I need desperately today, but my records may have that information.

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07/27/2009 1:35 AM

Hello cwarner7 11,

I agree with what you say and also keep some stuff, and yes over time it would not take long to build up a "text book"! I would think you can claim the content could be claimed to be yours, if you can claim (to your self?) you have altered the posts enough to make them different from the posts already on CR4.

The 'safe' way to proceed is to ask CR4 for confirmation on this particular point?

You make a good point with that mention. It will be interesting to see what other know and what they may say in reply to your post. I look forward to reading more!

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07/27/2009 1:55 AM

Hi cwarner7 11,

Good and thoughtful..........

GA to you Sir.

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07/27/2009 12:39 AM

Hello omw7,

With ref' to Does anyone else have a bugbear about repetitive questions?

I find there does seem to be a lot of very similar Electrical request, along the lines of 'earthing' or 'grounding'.

I do not have a problem with them though. To the person asking, it is the first time they have encountered the problem which needs to be solved.

I do not find the search system on CR4 that easy to manage, as it seems to send me round in circles and, I often do not end up getting a useful reply or result. I have seen it suggested that the search system be used before asking a question. But if the OP (Original Poster) finds the searching on CR4 as perplexing as I sometimes do they could be there forever.

It is much easier and there is very much more potential for a more varied and helpful answer to be posted if a request in posted, or a 'Thread' started on the subject. This is, after all the 'backbone' of CR4 and why most of us tend to find some requests enthralling and fascinating. Researching the requests as well as reading other members and guest posts, is why I for one visit most days. I learn probably more than I can give back to any member.

The camaraderie and friendly manner shown by most, makes using CR4 for new-comers welcoming, and for Gurus and other members, it is good to feel I am a part of a 'whole' which is CR4. It drives people forward to find details to help others, as well as for the joy felt when a thread is finally answered and a reply posted to say thank you.

I am enthused to think I was part of a bunch of people who sometimes quickly and, at other times not so quickly can find or give answers directly. The only thing I would say to anyone asking a request is "to be patient"! Ask precisely what you want, and please give enough detail for any of us to have a 'minds eye picture' of exactly what you are aiming to achieve. Naming your Country would make it easier to search for whatever, in the Country of origin. No matter if it is a manufactured item or information.

CR4 is a great place and anyone who starts as a guest with a question and, goes on to join because they liked the way we responded to help, or advise, with a personal written reply, and perhaps drawing/s, not to forget friendships, built perhaps over several months or years, is part of a great and rare kind of site used, for specific requests from individuals on anything related to Engineering.

Rather than a 'general meeting place' where pictures and other personal stuff is discussed. Over time, people all over the World are not afraid to ask a question because there is also no charge, which cannot be said for a whole lot of help and advice sites! And they come because they realise they will find answers, and it is a dedicated Engineering site! There is also a large "knowledge Base"!

BTW, I apologise for the lengthy post...................

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great words and so true

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07/27/2009 1:22 AM

Hello CO,

Hope you are well and do not mind me 'shortening' your user name?

I thank you Sir!

The post is what I am thinking and is my honest opinion, so it was not too difficult to write.

Many thanks for your kind words my friend.

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NP...everytime I see CO, I think that something is missing... CO2

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Hello CO, AKA CraziesOzzy,

I put your full name if you prefer? It is just that it is quicker to type CO.

OK?

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07/27/2009 2:03 AM

A solution might be to automatically recognise certain key words and send an automatic reply saying "Please search CR4 for an answer to your question as this topic already exists and has been answered very well" with a link to the best answer.

There may be a simple way to do away with the repetitive question. Why not put out a FAQ ( Frequently Asked Questions) This could be a summary of good answers to most of the frequently asked questions minus all the comments that may not be relevant to the questions. But this will require somebody to collate or moderate the information.Volunteers?

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07/27/2009 8:19 AM

Hello rupertal,

Your idea is not a bad one. The problem it it would take a long time to go through only just the good answers, because there is so many.

As an example, I spend most time on a certain part of the site. That has had at least 3,000/4,000 good answers at a guess, in around one year.

Multiply that by the number of sections on CR4 which is 15. = 45,000/60,000 GA's! At the very minimum.

There could easily be 6 or 10 or more times that, as I do not reply to every thread and blog.

The Total per 12 months could easily exceed 200,000 At the very minimum!!!

An awful lot of reading!

Admin could give a rough average of replies if you ask?

Whatever it is there is too many to be manageable.

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07/27/2009 8:16 AM

As was previously stated, the search engine can be rather Byzantine at times. Also, not everyone has joined at the same time or has the longest memory.

I have asked questions where the responses made little to no sense due to incorrect knowledge being the basis of my logic chain. Once the respondents pierced the fog (thank you for your persistence) produced by these incorrect "facts" I was able to see how these things worked. You wont necessarily get that out of previous posts. There is much to be said for interactivity.

For me, I am annoyed by poorly worded questions that leave me wondering what the questioner really wants to know. So I try to check the country of origin and deal with it.

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07/27/2009 9:02 AM

Hi JNH,

I like the way you phrased your post. Very 'tongue in cheek'! ;=)

As you say, the search engine on CR4 relies entirely on the respondent to enter the correct subject.

If that subject is not known, as it may include some technical stuff not understood, or which has never been heard off, which is often the case, and the reason the search was originally started, it can be never ending?

It can be a touch labyrinthine and perplexing from my experience with it.

I like your phrase, "I have asked questions where the responses made little to no sense due to incorrect knowledge being the basis of my logic chain"!

Kinda lays it right on the line!

Take care..............

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07/27/2009 10:55 AM

Doesn't this thread fall into the category of "repetative questions"?

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07/27/2009 3:56 PM

Hello danman285,

It is an irony for sure!

I was not on-line for a few weeks when this thread was on. I know it has been mentioned several times, but it is or has been phrased differently. But, yes it is essentially the same question.

Thanks.

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07/28/2009 12:11 PM

omw7,

I am going to try and put this as nicely as I can so forgive me if I fail: Do you have nothing better to do than get annoyed over some repetitive questions on CR4? If not then I wish I was you. If you feel the question is repetitive then simply ignore it and let someone else answer it.

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07/28/2009 3:22 PM

There is also the problem of the repetitive answer. I always read the previous responses before posting my response. I don't like to respond with the same answer that someone else has already posted. I try to make my post as unique as possible.

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Hello ronseto,

I have to admit I am guilty of this 'repetitive answer'. I pretty often reach the 'new question' notification in my email inbox, and write an answer and sometimes it is a duplicate! Sorry all!

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Thanks-a-Million, Ron...! Count you as one of the "Good_Guys", I do.

With 40 posts here thus far, I've read-down-thru, and even used "Edit"/"Find on this page" to search for anyone else having mentioned MY (well...ONE of my) personal beefs.

Who here doesn't feel 'violated' by the myriad of posts asking (essentially):

"Can someone tell me how this" ... (pick anything that Wiki expounds on greatly, like transistor, capacitor, transformer, etc)... "works please?"

And [LynLynch/Post3] ~ "Yeah, Right!" ~ waste of bits & bytes, that response!

Sort-of same response (with the proverbial advance apology) to *you*, HoleInTheSnow [post 25]. The concept of having SOME degree of control-in-general over the entirety of CR4 is mandatory, if it is to remain alive and well far into the future. Eliminating vulgar / obscene / inappropriate postings is no more necessary than is keeping the site from ballooning-over with multiplicities of repeat posts (and responses to same.

C'mon, CR4 moderators. Put the pressure on the "Maintenance Staff" to filter posts ... even if it mandates a certain "Wait Period" for initial Q's to show-up. Have those "Auto-Responses" cued-up for saying "Please read about this topic on Wikipedia and return here with any questions that are NOT answered sufficiently therein."

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07/28/2009 10:31 PM

SO if repetitive questions annoy some here so much how do you manage to get through your average work day? Do you have jobs where there is never a repeat problem that is new to someone else?

Every job I have ever had had the same basic questions asked of me over and over and over again with only a few new or unusual questions, concepts, or ideas showing up from time to time.

What you see and have seen 30 times a day for 30 years can still be a brand new problem to someone else.

I don't mind repeating myself. I guess I just don't think I am that important or grand that I cant re answer a question to a new person. What is same old same old to me is still considered near impossible and almost magical to many others.

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Hello tcmtech,

how are you?

SO if repetitive questions annoy some here so much how do you manage to get through your average work day?

You make a very good point with your first sentence!

I guess anyone who has been in the same industry for more than a week gets these same repetitive questions, very true.

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07/29/2009 12:30 PM

I would like to take a moment to comment upon this subject. I suppose what saddens me is many of the questions asked repetitively are related to subjects that are easily studied and answered by taking time to review and understand the proper reference book.

With CR4 being titled "The Engineer's Place for News and Discussion", I hope that would imply that at least a portion of the participants have had training, practice and experience in their particular field, and understand subjects in their field of practice, or know where to find needed information in their field as a result of their experiences.

Of course, a ME will not have the same log of experience as an EE, or any other discipline of engineering; and even within a particular discipline, our experience and knowledge will vary. This is where CR4 can be valuable, by others sharing their knowledge within their discipline and experience.

I suppose a major problem is the ease of which a person can ask questions. This electronic format I feel induces (seduces?) people to simply type in a question and wait for an answer; even those simple questions than can be easily answered with a bit of time and "elbow grease."

All of us on this forum have the basic ability to acquire the textbook and lecture based education; it's the experience which we gain in practice that makes us unique by measure of total knowledge, and it's that experience from practice which should be a primary driving force in providing answers to those asking for assistance.

I really wish people would ask to tap into that special pool of knowledge that our diverse experiences endows upon us, but the convenience of this type of forum will still lead to the basic questions whose answers lie unclaimed in reference books and in black ink (as Shakespeare referred to, if I remember) on paper around this globe.

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07/29/2009 1:15 PM

Hello standarded,

Hope you are well?

I would like to take a moment to comment upon this subject. I suppose what saddens me is many of the questions asked repetitively are related to subjects that are easily studied and answered by taking time to review and understand the proper reference book.

I suppose a major problem is the ease of which a person can ask questions. This electronic format I feel induces (seduces?) people to simply type in a question and wait for an answer; even those simple questions than can be easily answered with a bit of time and "elbow grease."

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I think you are 'preaching to the converted'?

CR4 is the 'book' that all those looking for 'answers' and 'more detailed information' about anything on and off the web, can come to.

There will always be someone who does not know where to look, or how to find details on a subject.

That 'subject' may be extremely well known by Engineers, and by others that 'know' and understand, and work using the 'requested details' everyday but, there is a need for a place where people can get reasonably fast answers to their requests.

These requests can be 'mundane' but, they are still unknown by the questioner, and need someone to explain the why's and how's, do's and don'ts'.

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07/29/2009 2:52 PM

Please also consider that there are many like myself who are not internet surfing gurus. Many of the things that I have tried to find in the past seemed to only be available from paid sites; I'm not inclined to pay for a standard for download that I'll use seldom if ever again. Or have to spend hours sifting through one to find my answer.

If one is concerned about the veracity of answers, then one only needs to wait for additional replies to the query. A bad answer here seemingly does not go long unchallenged. Which answer then makes the most cogent case for acceptance to your particular application?

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07/29/2009 3:14 PM

Hello JNH,

With reference to 'Paid Sites' I cannot agree with you more. I am not saying there should be no paid sites. But please keep the cost down! I too have seen these sites where it can cost hundreds of Dollars for a single piece of information.

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07/29/2009 3:12 PM

I am well. I hope you are too.

I agree that CR4 is a tremendous source. I suppose that I wish that some would make more effective use of the information available here, as there is so much beyond what could be considered "textbook" information that makes this an invaluable resource; that people inquiring for information, both mundane and esoteric, could make more effective use of said information by doing some research into the basics, and then making inquiries for information beyond that.

Thank you again. Have a great day.

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07/29/2009 4:09 PM

Hello standarded,

I am fine thanks. Glad you are as well!

I think that anyone asking for info' should have searched first, you know? As I have said before, how is a person expected to run a factory or part of one, or run their own business, when they cannot even think and plan what and how to search for what they want?

Take care..........

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07/29/2009 4:25 PM

Good day guys!

how is a person expected to run a factory or part of one, or run their own business, when they cannot even think and plan what and how to search for what they want?

They get management or executive positions! Apparently very little knowledge, skill, or practical application anything still gets a person a high paying job watching over others that know how to do and find what they need.

They are like vehicle exhaust systems. They restrict the flow of work that has been done and muffle the sounds of actual effort being put forth!

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07/29/2009 5:02 PM

Hello tcmtech,

Nice one!!!

I know exactly what you mean from practical experience.

Had a second year University student for work experience. He could quote Pi to about 20 figures but could not divide a piece of paper into even parts using dividers!

He said he was expecting to get a job in 'Management' in BT in three years! I think even these well educated, (though in what you have to ask) should have to go through training starting at the bottom. How else can they ever know what is happening outside their Office?

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