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Which Gas is Least Absorbed by Water?

07/27/2009 12:11 PM

My boss has a boat lift at his lake house. It has 2 air tanks that have holes in the bottom of them. Compressed air is push in the top of the tanks to raise the boat, or let out to lower the boat. It its not used at present, but the pump has to be turned on to re-float the lift from time to time. If I use compressed gas to float the lift, what gas will be least absorbed? I have easy access to nitrogen or CO2. -- JHF

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07/27/2009 12:36 PM

A friend of mine uses compressed air to lift his dock in order to replace Styrofoam blocks as they are worn down. He uses an old inner tube or two. If the tank can have a rubber liner, you would be dollars ahead of any other method.

BTW, CO2 makes great soda water. I'm not sure what nitrogen makes, but most any gas and water should mix fairly easily. Consequently, a barrier will give the best results. Try searching for uncured rubber membrane. Many can be cured with heat in any shape you want.

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07/27/2009 12:47 PM

I would think the differnce would not be noticeable. Air is mostly Nitrogen anyway (70% ish)
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07/27/2009 2:58 PM

Hi Circuit Breaker,

Here's a link:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html

It looks like ~1.7g CO2 and 0.018g N2 will dissolve in 1 kg water at 1 Atm and 20ºC - the CO2 is ~100 times more soluble than N2.

Go with N2 or air; air is likely to be much cheaper.

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07/27/2009 4:18 PM

Thanks! The lake house is about 90 miles away. I wanted to take something to re-float the lift as it is putting strain on the emergency support chains and pulling the dock out of shape. I hope to get the compressor running, but I may have to order a new one, so if my shop-vac won't re-float it and I have to go to compressed gas, I wanted to get as much "life" out of the gas as I can, hopefully enough to get the new compressor in. I thought air was the long term solution, but thought I'd ask! I guess I didn't make that clear in my OP. Thanks again -- JHF

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07/27/2009 7:55 PM

So, I had a 10 gallon aquarium once and it had a tiny little air pump that ran all the time. Do you suppose 2 of them would supply adequate make-up air to keep the floats at the desired level? After the new compressor floats the boat?

I have a boat for sale, if you are interested.

For now, N2.

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07/28/2009 12:29 AM

the aquarium pump is an excellent idea. frugal, simple and effective. good answer.

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07/28/2009 12:31 AM

Thanks. Have no clue if it would work, but cheap to try.

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07/28/2009 1:48 AM

Been there, done that, it works. Just a hint: the cooler the better for most The higher the pressure the better in any case, Ky.

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07/27/2009 7:23 PM

perhaps plumb in a simple float valve that automatically add air if the float arm gets to far down in the water. Being a slow rate of absorption a small air compressor for the air source would be fine.

If there are no leaks in the compressor or lines before the float valve it should be able to sit in active standby for days at a time between recharge cycles.

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07/27/2009 9:51 PM

CO2 is highly water soluble; just look at the bubbles released the next time you pop open a can of beer. In contrast, N2 gas is only soluble at fairly high pressure, which is why divers get the bends when they surface from deep water too quickly.

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07/27/2009 10:43 PM

A good answer I will give you, though of the dark side you are! Much knowledge you have, but ultimately prevail, you will not!

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Ah yes, my former teacher. You know, all these years I never knew your full name was actually Yoda Mikerho. So is it pronounced Mike-rho or Miker-ho?

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07/28/2009 1:35 AM

Ah yes. How can I ever forget how "supportive" Master Windu was when I approached him because I was feeling troubled. Even "The Chosen One" needs guidance and support, not rejection and scorn, if he's supposed to fulfill his duty. And after all the sacrifices I made in the Clone Wars too .

Maybe, just maybe, I might have turned out differently had the Jedi Order had a proper counseling program for troubled initiates. Ah, but it's all water under the bridge now.

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07/28/2009 7:29 AM

Shame that there isn't an option to vote "dangerous answer".

Stick with ordinary air and stay (relatively) safe.

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07/28/2009 12:40 AM

Nitrogen. But, I would caution you to make sure you have a properly vented area. If pure nitrogen is not vented, it will kill you by suffocation. So will CO2, at a high enough concentration. Be safe!

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07/28/2009 1:57 AM

Water in contact with atmosphere is already saturated with air. It will not dissolvee any more. Go with air.

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07/28/2009 3:31 AM

Both dissolve in water, the CO2 rather more so.

Of more concern is the use of these asphyxiating gases in a confined space such as a lake house. Sticking to compressed air is the safest option.

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07/28/2009 9:15 AM

Thanks for the safety warning, but the boat lift is out in the open, on a floating dock 30 ft from shore, no walls or anything to confine any escaping gas. Again, thanks for the reminder, can't be too safe! -- JHF

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07/28/2009 10:09 AM

The two tanks with holes in the bottom - presumably these are scrap?

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07/28/2009 10:42 AM

No, the holes are to let water in or out to raise or lower the lift. There is a pump and some valves to force air into the tanks, forcing the water out, to raise the lift or to let the air out so water can enter to lower the lift and launch the boat. -- JHF

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07/28/2009 11:56 AM

Atmospheric air is the logical choice.

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07/31/2009 5:39 AM

Buy one of the helium tanks for ballons and use it.

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07/31/2009 9:38 AM

Thanks. I also have easy access to helium, but since it leaks through "solid" materials, I did not consider it. We use helium to detect leaks that nitrogen will not show. Also, to all who responded, it became a moot point when I got to the dock yesterday. The pump did work, the GFI was tripped. Thanks again to all who responded. -- JHF

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