Liquid Nitrogen Economy

Hello lynlynch:

I feel better to, as far as cigars I almost bit mine in half when I read about the nitrogen economy. I hate to argue with the guys that have Ph.D.'s at seven o'clock in the morning, but it only takes about five seconds worth of thought to figure out this won't work.

I could not remember what thread we had met on previously, so I took a look at your member profile.

Still haven't figured what thread yet, but perhaps I can help you with another problem, the Corvette.

Hurry up and get it running so a Mopar can take the doors off of it again. Just kidding but there's nothing like a little rivalry to motivate someone.

The Vets were still long and lanky in those years, they looked like they deserved a speeding ticket when they were parked.

I can remember drooling over a blue 1969 or 1970 427 tri power Corvette I walked by.I can also remember not having the $11,000 to buy it.

Hi,

Mine is the last year to have steel bumpers on the front. And the rear window comes out, too. Don't know what year they quit that.

Mine came with a 427, but I'm putting a small block in this time, so, no contest.

Does nitrous oxide qualify as a precursor to the N₂ economy?

Cheers

You said :"Does nitrous oxide qualify as a precursor to the N₂ economy?"

Actually nitrous oxide does qualify as a precursor. I think that's what they were breathing while they were brainstorming the nitrogen economy ........ actually I think it was more like a brain cloud, whoever came up with that had to be a little foggy.

Yep! And besides if we started increasing the nitrogen content of the atmosphere (from 79%), some fool would call it a pollutant and say we were trying to suffocate the inhabitants.

This rates right along with the US paper mills adding diesel fuel to the black liquor and calling it an alternative fuel. They get billions for this slight of hand. The mills have been burning the black liquor without additives as fuel for years! The American tax payer should be outraged!

GW:

Please forgive my ignorance, but I've never heard the term "black licqour" before. What is it? A derivative of diesel fuel? Sludge from the processing of refining diesel fuel? Execessively dirty (or excessively UNfiltered) fuel? You have my curious, now?

If it IS unfiltered (hence dirtier than commercial diesel) why can't we burn it in nearly every off-road (mostly farming, and roads maintenance, I think) diesel powered vehicle? Would it save costs on fuel?

Micah

It is a by product of processing the wood for making pulp for paper. I am not sure why it is called black liquor, but to get rid of it I do know they inject it into the boilers and burn it. It has been part of the energy efficiency and polution control of making pulp and paper for years. The waste products are burnt for the energy required. Pulp mills are very energy intensive so it is not a surplus that can be marketed.

Is that in anyway chemically related to the "wood gas" or "gasogene" that was burned domestically (as opposed to "in combat zones) by appropriately fitted cars and trucks during the Great Depression, and/or WWI and II? I know that wood gas, at least, came from a process of "coking" wood, but I don't know if it resulted in a gas or liquid product. I know that in pictures I've seen of the vehicles, all had a burner aboard, which, if I understand correctly, was used to process raw (fire, scrap, etc.,) wood (maybe paper, too, but I never heard that said) to provide the gas, which was then fed into the engine to run the vehicle. Cumbersome, but it seemed to work, and it obviated the necessity for rationing.

No. When they chemical break down the lignin holding the cellulose fibres together they get an interesting soup of hydrocarbons, along with a little bark residue, oils, sugars, etc, everything but the cellulose they use for the paper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liquor

They have been burning this since the 1930's.

The alternative fuel scam has created an unfair trade situation, but it is also scamming the US tax payer. Most paper companies are international, and this scam has hurt the non-US operations since it subsidizes the paper production.

Thank you. Never heard of it before. But that's one of the reasons I read CR4. Eternal curiosity eternally being satisfied.

Yes Indeed.

This not a message , i have a doubt about the storage of liquid nitrogen.

In our Plant nitrogen storage area is there. it is kept out side of shop floor. Actually i am facing one problem. Liguid nitrogen getting evoprate at atmosphere temperature very quickly. There is any possibilities for avoiding this..... if u Know reply

The laws of Nature have not changed. There is no possibility for avoiding this, unless you use very small pressure vessels.