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Heat Treatment / Stress Relieving in Carbon Steel

08/19/2009 11:39 PM

What will be heating rate at the initial stage from starting to 300 degree centigrate tempreture during heat treatment of carbon steel structure.

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Re: Heat Treatment / Stress Relieving in Carbon Steel

08/20/2009 9:33 PM

300 degrees C~ = 572 degrees F.

thats right smack in the Blue Brittleness range my friend.

The loss of ductility found on testing steel in the blue heat range which varies between about 200 deg. C and 400 deg. C according to the composition of the steel. Source: European Union.

Brittleness exhibited by some steels after being heated to some temperature within the range of 300 to 650 degrees F (149 to 343 degrees C), particularly if the steel is worked at the elevated temperature.

Too low a temperature to really consider for stress relief in my opinion.

You asked about rate, Depending on furnace efficacy and maintenance and accuracy of thermocouples etc.etc. etc., I have found that an inch an hour is an economical yet effective rate.

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08/20/2009 11:31 PM

what is an inch per hour? Heating rate should be deg F/hr, no?

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08/20/2009 11:41 PM

Our practice commercially is charge steel into furnace that is already at temperature (on roller hearth multi zone furnaces, into first zone the speed from zone to zone usually respects that figure,depending on delta T per zone.). We do not cycle furnace up and down in temperature. Too hard on refractories and energy cost.

So I am saying that it will take an hour per inch of section uniformly up to temperature. That is based on my experience and commercial technology here in North America.

On parts in baskets, the maximum distance from center of mass of parts in basket to edge of basket is the "inch" measure you want to use.

Your mileage may vary, But I am giving you what has worked for me.

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08/20/2009 11:55 PM

Dear Sir,

When we are going for induction coil heating then what will be the rate of heating.

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08/21/2009 7:39 AM

It is going to heat up almost instantaneously.

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08/21/2009 7:46 AM

And beyond the temperature range requested... And we have no knowledge of mass, symmetry what the purpose of the treatment is, to name but a few.

At this point, until further details are provided, it is best to not further encourage this. Do we really want to become the engineers of record?

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Re: Heat Treatment / Stress Relieving in Carbon Steel

08/21/2009 2:10 AM

For post weld heat treating, I believe that the rate should be 100F/hr per inch of material thickness to 1150F. Hold at 1150F 1hr per inch of material thickness ( Hold at 1150F for at least 1hr if the material is leas than 1 inch) then cool at the same rate.

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08/21/2009 10:20 AM

The following example is actually proceeded for Pressure Vessel fabricated from killed carbon steel material as per ASME SA-516 Grade 70, thickness 41 mm, and the PWHT is calculated based on the rules of ASME code, Section VIII, Division 1, Para. UCS-56 and Table UCS-56.

Material

Carbon Steel..

P-No.

1.
.

Specification

ASME SA-516 Grade 70

Gr. No.

2.
....

Thickness, t

41.1MM
.....1.618110236Inch

Heating

From, C1

.

To, C2

.

Heating Rate, Rh

.
.350

OC

620

OC

222

OC/hr/Inch

.

.

.....
Heating Time = (Thickness, t) / [(Heating Rate, R

h) / (C2-C1)]

1.967971909Hour
.......

Holding

....

Min. Holding Time

....

per Thickness, Th

.
.....1hr/Inch
.......
Holding Time = (Min. Holding Time per Thickness, T

h) (Thickness, t)

1.618110236Hour
.......

Cooling

From, C3

.

To, C4

.

Cooling Rate, Rc

.
.620

OC

300.278

OC/hr/inch

.

.

...

.

.
Cooling Time = (Thickness, t) / [(Cooling Rate, R

c) / (C3-C4)]

1.862572934Hour
.......

Note. 593 oC can be assumed to be 620 oC ± 25 oC.

(A PDF file is here: PWHT-Example)

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08/21/2009 10:35 AM

SWEET! Nicely done!

However, original poster is now talking about Induction heating.

Also, original poster specified stress relieving, not post weld heat treatment.

And up to 300 C max...

If original poster's application is Postweld Heat Treatment, you have SERVED HIM WELL!

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08/21/2009 11:03 AM

Oh, yes

Thank you Milo.

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08/23/2009 10:42 AM

Dear Mr. Abdel Halim Galala,

In your response you have mentioned A PDF FILE PWHT-Example.

I down-loaded but it is not opening, may be due to some deficiency in the soft-ware in my system. Please suggest me in which soft-ware this file will open.

I request you to mail a copy og the PWHT so that I can study the same.

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08/23/2009 3:29 PM

Dear Mr. dhayanandhan,

The file is just one page in PDF format and can be opened by any software like "Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional" which can be free downloaded from internet.

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Re: Heat Treatment / Stress Relieving in Carbon Steel

08/21/2009 1:40 PM

we anneal 7/8 bar that we bend into lifting devices to be set in concrete . in a batch oven .....heat to 1200 deg. Fahrenheit and hold it for one hour at that temp. then remove and let cool at ambient temp... the bar gets to be a very dull burnt Orange

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Re: Heat Treatment / Stress Relieving in Carbon Steel

08/21/2009 6:10 PM

Hi,

control of heating and cooling rate is necessary if distortion is a problem.

Any industrial heating and cooling is so fast that the thermal expansion differences between inside and outside and between left and right side will cause plastic yield.

Inside to outside because the temperature will take some time to get in or out. Left to right side (also for and aft and top and bottom) because heating/cooling is not symmetric.

So if you look to precision equipment: post the size, the length to diameter ratio, the material, how it is suspended and centered inside the induction coil, how is the cooling done and we can go a step further into precision parts.

Measurement devices, optical instruments, inertial technology, ball-bearings and fluid/gas-bearings need these extra precautions to get a nearly undistorted part with nearly zero built-in residual stress. (Have a look to my website.)

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Re: Heat Treatment / Stress Relieving in Carbon Steel

08/23/2009 4:21 PM

Our standard is typically 50degC up, 50deg down with a total time of 36hrs. The ramp rate can be doubled for small bore piping.

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