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Voltage Change on Old Wagner Motor

09/07/2009 5:56 PM

I have an OLD Wagner 1/2 HP motor Type RA, Frame 65Y, that will handle either 120v or 240v according to the nameplate. Unfortunately, no wiring diagram on the motor. It has four leads coming out and they are twisted together to form two leads. NO color coding or numbering. This is what I would call a repulsion-induction motor as it has a set of brushes, no capacitor visible. I do not know how the motor is wired, but just guessing that it is 240v. I plan to connect it briefly to 120v and see how it sounds. If it coughs and sputters I will assume it is wired for 240v and make a brief connection to that voltage. Now, I could leave it wired 240v but would much prefer 120v. With no wiring diagram is there any way to do this without killing the motor if the wrong wires are connected? I had thought of taking one wire from each twisted pair and putting wire nuts on them and taking the remaining two wires (one from each twisted pair) and connecting to 120v, but this is a last ditch effort if I don't get some expert advice from this post. Thanks to all in advance.

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Re: voltage change on old Wagner motor

09/07/2009 8:41 PM

What I would do, using an ohmmeter, is isolate the pairs of windings. Now, I have two coils in front of me. I would then take these coils and connect them in parallel, of course, for 120 volts. If things go wrong (imagine that!), reverse the leads.

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Re: Voltage Change on Old Wagner Motor

09/08/2009 11:47 PM

From the description of two wire-nutted pairs, the motor windings are now wired in parallel, which would be for the lower 120 voltage. In this case connect L1 (hot) to one pair and L2 (neutral) to the other. Also desirable to ground the frame; is there a screw for this?

On the other hand, if the motor windings had been wired in series (for higher 240 voltage), there would have been one wire-nutted pair, with two single leads to go to L1 and L2 (both hot).

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Re: Voltage Change on Old Wagner Motor

09/09/2009 8:19 AM

Tornado is correct (so far as he went with it)...

To be on the safest side, wire yourself a current-limiting pair of 100w bulbs into your test circuit. The windings will be able to draw sufficient current through the bulb/filaments to run (under no-load), but won't be able to blow a breaker or fry a winding IF something is amiss...

This was (still is?) a staple-tool at most electrical apparatus service shops.

#1) "reverse the leads..." (?) awful ambiguous....

Best wishes ~

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Re: Voltage Change on Old Wagner Motor

09/09/2009 10:22 AM

If wired in series and it just hums and does not run, then reverse the leads of 1 coil/pair. This will phase the windings.

If not phased, there will be one winding pushing, one pulling, net result is no rotation.

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Re: Voltage Change on Old Wagner Motor

09/09/2009 10:24 AM

Sorry, same for parallel operation/ 120V. Hook them up and if it rotates strong, fine. But if it just hums, reverse on pair for phasing.

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Re: Voltage Change on Old Wagner Motor

09/09/2009 12:12 PM

Many thanks to Guest, ndt Tom, Tornado and jraubsr for their helpful advice. MUCH appreciated. What I did was mark each lead, check resistance lead to lead, and connected the pairs with equal resistance, hooked it to 120v and it works fine. No interest at this time to hook to 240v so I didn't experiment any further. Anyway, it works fine now and again, many thanks to those who answered!! tom in vermont

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