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Plastic Beverage Bottles

09/23/2009 6:39 AM

Is there a chemical or solvent that would melt plastic beverage bottles? After retiring I turned to art to fill some time and satisfy my creative impulse. I would like to transform plastic beverage bottles into a medium that I can cut into shapes much like working with stained glass. so I'm looking for a way to (melt), the plastic and pour it into a form where it can then harden and later be cut into shapes. Is it also possible to add a color and what could I use for this? Food coloring maybe, or would it need to be petroleum based. I'm not looking to make colored plexiglass nor need to worry about the plastic being food safe. I just want to turn the plastic bottles into a workable art meduium. Thanks folks! Greencrow

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Re: Plastic Beverage Bottles

09/23/2009 8:26 AM

There should be. It depends on the identity of the material, though, as to which solvent you should choose.

It should also be possible to add a colorant, but again, which one to use will depend on the solvent/polymer identity. On this point, I would just try some and see what works best - starting simply with, as you suggest, food coloring.

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09/23/2009 9:14 AM

I'd find another way to enjoy old age. You'll be handling pretty aggressive chemicals in this process. You'd probably need considerable heat, too.

I was wondering about the solvent used to dissolve plastic bottles. I think that plastic bottles would be dissolved during recycling, so I tried to dissolve a plastic bottle using acetone, but was unsuccessful. What solvent is used for plastic bottle (PET) recycling?

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AIES CO., LTD., which is actually recycling plastic bottles, kindly answered the question above.


A plastic bottle is made of a polymer called "polyethylene terephthalate (PET)". Approximately 100 molecules of terephthalic acid (TPA) and ethylene glycol (EG, structure: HO-CH2-CH2-OH) link alternately to form this compound's structure. PET cannot be dissolved in acetone. However, when alcohol (compound which has –OH group at the end) comes near the chemical bond between TPA and EG (ester bond), EG easily loses its position to the alcohol. This is called "ester exchange". If this reaction happens between TPA and EG, this also means that the chain of PET polymer shortens. This property is used for breaking down PET. The short chain of PET will easily dissolve in EG.

We developed "AIES process" for recycling plastic bottles. In this process, PET is broken down into bis-2-hydroxyethyl terephthalate (BHET), which is monomer, by the method above. After BHET is well purified, PET is re-synthesized using BHET. It is important to purify BHET very well, because a high-grade monomer is necessary for the synthesis of long-chain polymers. If people try to recycle plastic bottles without using the AIES process, they must convert BHET to a molecule called "dimethyl terephthalate (DMT)", then refine the DMT, and finally convert the DMT to BHET again.

One of the engineers in our company, who developed the AIES process, said that he first did the experiment in his kitchen at home. Now this technology is housed in a big plant whose processing capacity is 27500 tons. This growth shows what motivation can do.


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09/23/2009 9:33 AM

Nice info lynlynch

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09/23/2009 11:08 AM

Nice answer.

But I guess that this means one should not add rum to a plastic bottle of coke. Come to think of it, I don't see beer distributed in plastic bottles. I have seen large bottles of other liquors sold in plastic bottles. I wonder what formula of plastic is used for that?

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09/23/2009 12:33 PM

Come to think of it, I don't see beer distributed in plastic bottles.

actually, I notice recently they are.

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09/23/2009 4:59 PM

Where I live, Az. USA every beer bottle sold by vendors in stadiums is plastic.

It's all I can do to drink from a plastic beer bottle. The sacrifices I make.

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09/24/2009 9:38 AM

OK, so I'm a cheap snob. My Guinness comes normally from a tap and I can't remember when I was last at a stadium. Still, I wonder what plastic is used then in these alcohol containing bottles since alcohol is used in the recycling of a soda bottle.

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09/25/2009 9:32 AM

Anybody who drinks Guinness could hardly be called cheap. Snob? yes. Cheap? no.

It would never do to drink Guinness at the ballpark, but I like it when I'm out on the town.

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09/24/2009 9:33 AM

You answered the question about as well as anyone could and you get my GA. They recycle plastic bottles and make carpet yarn out of them at a plant near where I live. The first thing they do is run the bottles through a machine that looks like a de-barking drum but allot smaller and this removes the labels. the next thing they do is to chip the bottles up into small pieces and they are washed at some point in the early stages. After this I think they use heat via steam and/or hot oil or some other heating system to melt the plastic down and reform it into pellets. The pellets are sent through another machine that melt them down to make yarn and that is sent out to plants to make carpet with. I do not know what these machines are called but I do know heat is used in most all of the processes and I am not aware of them melting the bottles with a solvent or chemical. I also know that they color the pellets/yarn during some stage of this process. I will ask around and see if some of my buddies that work in the carpet industry can shed some light on the coloring process. I was thinking that you might use a source of heat such as an old oven to melt the bottles but you may need to do it in a special atmosphere to keep oxygen or other atmospheric gases from contaminating the plastic during it's molten state. I may be completely off base with this but an inert gas purge in the oven would be very easy to do if required.

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09/23/2009 11:51 PM

Hi greencrow,

Would a low temperature melt be a better solution to turn them into some malleable form? Seems it would be a safer and easier option, maybe not an economical means. So long as you kept below the ignition point.

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09/24/2009 10:19 AM

Thanks everyone. I did try some heat in the oven and a half hour of 10 minute 100 degree changes, up to 450 degrees did nothing but shrink and harden a medium sized PET bottle. I was looking for an alternative to buying materials to replicate stained glass for some trellis designs I made. I dont want to use glass because it breaks it's sharp and expensive. They have a low heat melt colored pellet at hobby lobby used for children or younger ages to make designs and then melt it together in your home oven. I am however interested in coloring plexiglass so that it wouldnt wear off real quickly. Any thoughts? Greencrow

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09/25/2009 5:34 AM

Lynlynch had given an exhaustive summary of PET-[POLY ETHYLENE TERPTHALATE] synthesis and scope of recycling.

PET is a poly ester produced by condensation polymerization of ethylene glycol and terepthalic acid, for which the DMT, Ethylene glycol esterification is one of the process route being commercially followed.

Normally after the hot polymerization the hot melt is directly used for filament spinning and on contact with cool air the polymer gets solidified.

The second option is to form chips from hot polymer melt and flexibly use chips as melt raw materials for moulds and films.

Use of Titanium Dioxide gives opaqueness and pigments added to the melt polymer gives colour to the polymer, which is called DOPE dyeing.

As it is, the bottles can be molten and reused directly, being of thermoplastic nature, the energy costs may count, but it is simpler.

As per your enquiry solvents do exist for polyester called- META CRESOL-a phenolic group solvent which is marked by high cost, bad and irritating odour, which is not ecologically safer.

Apart from remelting and conversion , there are chemical hydrolysis methods to split and derive basic raw materials like terepthalic acid and ethylene glycol.

One such method is alkalization of polyester using 8 Normal caustic in presence of a surfactant,water and boiling temperature -the result out put being Di sodium Terphthalate and ethylene glycol with suitable segregation procedures.

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09/10/2024 5:19 AM

Chemical Compatibility Database from Cole-Parmer (coleparmer.com)

Simply cross-check the specific plastic with the solvent, looking for "poor" compatibility.

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