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Do I Really Want to Be an Engineer?

10/12/2009 11:11 PM

I have the biggest self problem. I am a 4th year Electrical Eng. student and love electrical. I am a 3rd generation electrican and control systems technologist. I have exsperience in numerous fields and think I have done it all under 4.7kV systems. I have worked from high end residental to industrial, automation, institutional, medical.

I am not sure at this point if I want to be an engineer anymore. A little late now. Graduating in 8 months. What I am trying to say is I am a hands on person. I dont know if i want to sit in a lab/office all day.

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Re: Do I really want to be an Engineer?

10/12/2009 11:25 PM

Who says you have to sit/work in a lab. If you have automation background, there is alot of field work available, especially with a 4 year degree and experience.

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10/13/2009 12:05 AM

I totally agree, hardly anyone sits in a lab any more, companies demand productivity! Look at going to work for a big Systems Integrator, it's a varied work environment and you get to see all kinds of interesting industrial applications.

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10/14/2009 1:50 AM

All products come out a place called "lab". If there is "hardly anybody sitting in a lab any more", where are the new products coming out from? If somebody wants to constantly work on new products, then there is no better place than a lab.

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10/15/2009 12:37 AM

your biggest weakness is as a engineer, is that you lack and need more imaginaton.

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Re: Do I really want to be an Engineer?

10/13/2009 2:00 PM

There is nothing wrong with having an engineering degree under your belt. The tough question is deciding what you want to do with it. Just like the old question, "What do you want to be, when you grow up?", it sounds like the problem is deciding what doors will open for you when you get it.

And the answer is, "It really all depends on you!"

There are advantages and disadvantages in all choices.

In a big company you will notice that most employees work about 20% to 40% of the time and flake off the rest of the time. And they take home a moderate paycheck with relatively decent job security. But those employees don't always get to pick and choose what they want to work on so it can be disappointing if you need lots of variety in a short time. Over the long term, you can see variety but you will be subject to the Dilbert Syndrome. You will also be pressured to become a "manager" which is a dead end if you like to make or build things. On the other hand as an engineer, you will encounter a virtual ceiling for advancement so you will need to change companies on a regular basis to advance substantially. Potential for satisfaction seems to be proportional to your attitude and comfort level.

In a medium size company, you will still be subject to the Dilbert Syndrome and the politics will be a little easier to understand but unless there is constant innovation, there will be rumors of crisis all of the time. Most of it never occurs, but it makes you want to keep your desk packed up most of the time. If you are lucky enough to be in on an growth curve, you will likely do well. Else, keep your eyes open and your resume circulating.

In a small company, you have the most risk but at the same time the most potential for reward. You will be a lot closer to the action than either of the situations mentioned above. But make no mistake, 19 out of 20 small businesses fail because of ignorance or bad luck. Having said this, you can learn from others mistakes (and expense) this way and eventually take your own stab at starting your own business.

If you do start your own business, you will work an average of 70+ hours a week and it will involve a lot of management effort. You will want to have some business classes under your belt so you have an idea of all the other stuff you will need to deal with on a daily basis.

One way or another, you will come to a point where you teach other people how to do the "hands on" type of things and let them do it for you. You will become a mentor. You will also be surprised as to how useless those people seem because they can't do all the things you have to show them how to do.

One fellow I know bought a small business and then set about to develop his own new products. He learned fairly quickly that you have to design not only for how to make something work, but more for how to keep it from being broken.

In any case, you need to decide how many hours a week you want to work and how many hours you want each week for your own entertainment (a.k.a. - life). How good are you at politics? How well can you kiss butt? And, lastly do you want to be middle class or well above? Take a look at the inventors of the past. Did they lead the kind of life you want? Look for books on Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla. They worked together and then against each other. Edison got all kinds of recognition but he wanted a lot more. Tesla was the father of AC generators and motors but he died a poor man.

Lastly, as you seem to understand, the journey through life is the adventure. The destination is often difficult to reach, and even if you reach it, then what? Look for ways to do the kinds of things you like to do. Seek friends outside of your profession. And most of all, be picky about the jobs you take. Satisfaction is worth a lot more than the money they will offer you.

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10/14/2009 7:21 AM

Very well put NotUrOrdinaryJoe.

I have had two statements that I "Live" in the work environment.

First and utmost, Honesty is my only policy.

Second, If you are not happy doing what you are doing, then do something different. Don't make others miserable because you are unhappy.

With these two thoughts also realize that others will have an important role in where you go in life (opportunities) but it is up to you to make the final decision.

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10/13/2009 10:32 PM

Your Engineering degree can just be the thing that gives you a far greater understanding of what ever else you want to do. Stay with it then decide once you have graduated.

All it does is give you more choices after all.

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Re: Do I Really Want to Be an Engineer?

10/14/2009 12:56 AM

Your combination of hands-on experience and an engineering degree is very valuable. I've met many young engineers who, when faced with actually having to wire something up are lost. Ordinary engineers fresh out of college are truly a-dime-a-dozen. Anything that sets you apart is a good thing.

Find a job you like and understand that you will make many changes in your career, and that there are likely to be detours on the path.

Many engineers are not locked up in cubicles -- especially the good ones.

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Re: Do I Really Want to Be an Engineer?

10/14/2009 1:54 AM

Dear Friend

8 months is not a long time to stay put. If you "invest" this time then you qualify as an electrical engineer. With a degree under your belt, lot of opportunities will open up. Particularly after electrical engineering, large number of areas open up, for example, automation, power electronics, power engineering and even telecom and software. Management is always open, but you need a degree, so my sugesstion would be to just stick on and complete the degree moreso because you have already invested 4 years in this area.

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10/14/2009 2:55 AM

Do what you love! Or as Joseph Cambell said: "Follow your bliss". You may not make as much money following your bliss, but you'll be much happier.

On a more practical level, The world has a desperate shortage of engineers with hands on mechanical skills in their discipline. The viabilty of their designs often is impacted negatively by this. My knowledge of basic manufacturing process and materials and my hands on experience making things has empowered me as a designer and added an enormous amount of satisfaction to my work.

From a psychological and physical stand point, IMO, working with one's hands and one's mind is better than just working with just one's mind or hands alone. Working with just your intellect risks loosing touch with the nature of Reality. Unless you become quite famous, working just with your hands limits your productivity and your income.

You appear to have the best of both worlds at your command.

That's cause for celebration. Guys like us do NOT retire (We are having too much fun) nor do we risk growing old.

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10/14/2009 7:49 AM

Do what you love! Or as Joseph Cambell said: "Follow your bliss". You may not make as much money following your bliss, but you'll be much happier.

But more and more people these days, MONEY is all that they love. That's why the world is in a pretty shabby state.

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10/14/2009 7:53 AM

1Ti 6:10

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

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10/14/2009 10:18 AM

"But more and more people these days, MONEY is all that they love. That's why the world is in a pretty shabby state."

To respond properly to this statement would require more time than I have and would seriously hijack this thread.

Suffice to say that a the pursuit of money can be a symptom of a deeper underlying discomfort and that the pursuit of money is not, by itself, wrong. It's when the pursuit of money displaces other more important values and used as a poor substitute for the real hunger, that the achievement of a satisfying life becomes compromised.

Ultimately, real prosperity in life is a consequence of prospering others.

Enjoying that prosperity is a consequence of being true to one's self and ". . . following one's bliss".

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10/14/2009 4:09 AM

Get your degree by all means, knock out a good CV (check your spelling) and apply for everything in sight.

You never know what will turn up.

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10/14/2009 7:40 AM

I understand completely. I was 43 years old when I started college (with my 18 year old son). I have had experience with a LOT of different fields including construction, RF environment, Design and build out a 911 dispatch center, heavy equipment operator, mechanic (Master Technician for four years), entrepreneur, preacher, and husband. Yes, I had a lot of experience and knowledge before getting my degree. After getting it, it opened doors I never thought possible. I now work for an aerospace company as a manufacturing engineer. It is not entirely a desk job and it is not entirely a hands on job. My son had "cold feet" at mid-term his senior year. He finished and is now a design engineer for a controls company. His job is about 30% in the field.

The degree DOES NOT determine your job.

As I said in another post, you make the final decision of where you go from here.

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Re: Do I Really Want to Be an Engineer?

10/14/2009 8:11 AM

what ever else you do or don t

never ever think of not completing your remaining 8 months of engineering studies !

two steves and one bill are but exceptions.

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10/14/2009 8:31 AM

Scientists and researchers are bound to lab and office work; engineers aren't.

If one's looking for an 'office' engineering job, EPC (engineering, procurement, construction) firms like Fluor, Bechtel, and SNC-Lavalin are the place to be. Every once in a while (somnetimes for prolonged periods), one may be called to work at sitem including overseas, but one will spend most of his time at an office unless one asks for site work.

For 'lab' work, any R&D and research-oriented job will require that.

For 'site' work, allone has to do is to work at operating plants: power plants of all types, manufacturing, steam-heating, etc. One can also go into building automation or other high-sitework jobs such as many in the energy industry (oil platforms, refineries, oil and gas production and processing facilities, etc.).

Take my word for it: there are site jobs available aplenty if one's looking for those. And for hands-on types, there's nothing better.

Cheers! And don't give up ... You're living what most of us do: the final-month doldrums. I wanted to go on to do my Masters once I'd finished my undergraduate degree; I'd always liked studying and school ever since kindergarten, but in the space of a week three months before graduation, my feelings completely changed (for no concrete reason) and I wanted OUT! Take my word, that's what you're feeling right now.

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10/14/2009 9:43 AM

What better life could you ask for than working with solid facts. Belive me working with vague things like possibilities of investments and risk of loss in the financial markets is not easy on the mind or the body.

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10/14/2009 10:35 AM

There are plenty of opportunities in Power generation. transmission, and distribution. I have been in the field all of my working life and have yet to say I have done it all. All of the new generation of students wants to go into electronics and computer engineering leaving a shortage in the real power field. HVAC , HVDC and alternative energy systems is the place to be. Plenty of opportunities and challenges in POWER SYSTEMS

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10/14/2009 11:28 AM

Guest,

You seem to be a serious person concerned about developing work skills for a good career.

For your status, you have developed commanding practical skills which should be of added value to your job.

Now, consult people of electrical engineering profession about the job market, job requirements, speciality skills and opportunities. Based on their inputs, choose a line of area of nyour liking and start your journey of professional life.

Indulgence will impart real on hands of experience- fine tuning of knowledge, practical skills, problem solving skills, development work etc.

Based on your aptitude you got to choose-field work, executive work or managerial etc.

There will be more lessons to learn in all respects to make a connectivity between goals, work life and society.

Without much preconceptions jump into the ocean of life and enjoy the journey.

These confusions are common to all final year students, handle them with care.

Best wishes.

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10/14/2009 12:17 PM

Your biggest problem is that you think, as you say, you've have done it all under 4.7k systems. More than likely you haven't even begun to skretch the the surface of what there is to learn. So how do you truly say with straight face that you love electrical when you are already considering quitting?

Hearing you say you are a 3rd generation electrician reminds me of a former classmate who was the son a an electrical contractor and came in with the attitude that he would just sail through school and get his degree in Electronic/Computer Engineering. He flunked out! He struggled through understanding analog circuitry and was clueless when it came to digital circuitry. What he finally realized was that what he knew as an electrician was such a small part of the electrical field.

If you truly love electrical as you say, you first would realize that there is so much more to learn, in fact your whole career will be about learning and trying to stay up with all the new advancements that are constantly going on, such as the blending of electronics and mechanical as you have with MEMS devices.

When you say you worked industrial and automation, did you truly work it or did you just handle the electrical wiring and switching part of it. As I was getting my degree in Electronics, I realized I was fascinated by the automation part of it, then went on to get my degree in Automated Manufacturing where I learned the Mechanical side of it as well as the programming side of it. Whether it be the programming of a PLC, AC or DC Drives, CNC Machining, Robotic languages (at the time) like Forth, or the various computer languages at the time like Basic, Pascal & C and later on catching up with Visual Basic which was much more manufacturing friendly in the sense of minimizing time to write. The point is Automation covers a wide range of issues and you dealt with one small part. If you were the owner of a company who is automating their process, wouldn't you want someone who was knowledgeable in all facets of automation or have to hire one to cover the electrical part, one to handle mechanical and one to due the programming. In some ways an electrician reminds me of an old school auto mechanic. Technology and demands have passed them by. Think of becoming someone that can help an employer be more effiicient.

When you have the mindset of an Electrician, all you are talking about is handling the transmission and switching of electrical energy. The true fun of electrical hasn't even begun yet. When you begin to manipulate it through electro-mechanical devices to do whatever you or your customers want it to do is when you are really beginning to understand what there is to know and that is something you will be striving for the rest of your life, because we as man understand very little at the moment.

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Re: Do I Really Want to Be an Engineer?

10/14/2009 12:39 PM

Ready Fire Aim!

Transform "biggest self problem" into "what opportunity or lesson is there in this thinking"

Do what you love, love what you do.

How about a niche market in electrical (you love) automated, residential systems; i.e. smart homes.

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10/17/2009 11:37 PM

I used to be a Senior Staff Scientist with a Pacemaker company and I did a lot of hands on work in the lab experimenting, troubleshooting. It was a lot of fun. I think you make your career the way you want to. Engineering is also a hobby of mine.

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