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ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/24/2009 4:04 AM

guys i need ur help .. if my ct is 300/5 and the minimun setting of aab spaj140c for low set is"I>" is (0.5 X In) where (In is the secondary of the current transfomerand fixed In=5 ) plz can y tell me wats the minimum Phase current if i select 0.5

according to me its 150 amp .... is it rite or wrong ..?? i need ur help as eaqrly as possible

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/24/2009 10:50 PM

for a start it would help if you typed in english and not "SMS speak" and second you need to give a bit more info if you want help, because quite frankly I don't understand what you want. However I have enclosed some details on CT's for you. It is applied in submersible pumps, but a CT is a CT hope it helps.[p/]

7.2.2 Current Transformers Electronic and mechanical measuring devices monitor the amperage in the switchboard. To monitor the motor current, it must be reduced to a level that is easier to measure. If the amperage drawn by the motor was not reduced, measuring devices would have to be large and cumbersome in order to house components capable of withstanding high currents. Most ESP measuring devices (motor controllers) are designed to operate from 0 to 5 amps. To reduce or scale-down the actual current in the switchboard to an acceptable level, current transformers (CTs) are used. 7.2.2.1 CT Ratio's The CTs should be sized such that under normal operating conditions, secondary control amp levels are between 2.5 and 3.5 amps. This is done to obtain the best motor controller performance and to have the pen track along the center of the recording ammeter chart. To determine the correct CT primary, use the following formula: CT Size = Expected Amps thru Switchboard X 1.6 Example: 39 amp 990 required surface voltage of motor - MDFH Size 3, 1,500 volt switchboard. CT Size = 39 X 1.6 = 62 Choose a CT with a ratio as close to 62:5 as possible. (In this case a 75:5 Ratio) (39/75) 5 = 2.6 Amps The following list contains the combinations which can be used to select proper secondary control amp levels: Primary Current Current Transformer Turns of Wire Through Switchboard Ratio Through Window 120-210 amps 300:5 1 60-105 amps 150:5 2 40- 70 amps 100:5 3 30- 52 amps 75:5 4 As you will note, there is a gap in the primary current ranges between the 300:5 and the 150:5 ratios. For this reason, REDA also utilizes the 200:5 and 150:5 combination current transformers. The 150/200:5 combination current transformer is of the doughnut type. Its construction is such that it can be used as either ratio by changing hookups. Figure 7A is a sketch of the type presently used.

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/24/2009 11:30 PM

I am not sure I understood your question. But here is the answer:

It is correct. The relay setting 0.5 x In is equivalent to 150 A setting in primary circuit.

Depending on the IDMT characteristic setting and time multiplier setting, the relay will trip according to the curves on page 20-24 of the relay manual (http://library.abb.com/global/scot/scot229.nsf/veritydisplay/e443faf99f1d91f9c12572a0004710e4/$File/FM_SPAJ140C_750629_ENdad.pdf)

With the IDMT characteristic setting = 'Normal Inverse-time characteristic' and time multiplier (k) setting = 1, if 300 A current (twice the setting) flows in primary, the relay will trip at 10 seconds (see Fig 7 of page 22 of the manual).

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/24/2009 11:49 PM

The SPAJ 140 C relay has got setting for 1 amp secondary as well as 5 Amps secondary.

This can be choosen based on the CT provided in the Power circuit.

Therfore In can be 5 or 1 depending on selection.

Setting for definite time current can be 0.5 In to 5 In.

In your case In =5

Therefore secondary currents range will be 0.5x=2.5 amps to 5X5=25 amps

Primary current range will be 2.5 x300/5=150 Amps to 25 X300/5=1500 Amps.

Since setting is 0.5, primary current would be 150 Amps.

Hope this is clear to you

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/25/2009 12:15 AM

thanks you sir , for your clarification , yes they can have the In=5 but i hve to protect a v small amount of current so i f use 1 amp .... it will be even more worse .

actually i was v sure and i done the same calculation as u did....... i just wanted to make sure ....

thnaks to all guys ..

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/25/2009 12:46 AM

I think you are conceptually wrong.

Selection of 1 amp or 5 amp on the relay is based on CT secondary and not on "small load" or "big load"

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/26/2009 9:00 AM

hello sir ,

no sorry i m not conceptually wrong . now i will tell u the real problem , i hope you can suggest me some v gud solution.

regarding above realy ( SPAJ 140c ) same setting range ( 0.5 ..... 5XIn) and i have the ( C.T 100/5)

now i have a transformer 630KV....13.8kv

so the maximun current can b drawn is approx 27 amp but i want to protect the transformer up to its 80%

in other words i wan to protect 20 amp.

as you v well sir that the minumum setting is 0.5 X In (In=5) =2.5

and with C.T ratio ( 100/5) it means ... the min amount of current i can protect is = 50 amps ( which is too high and is not acceptable)

so can you please help me out the best possible solution.

i have 2 solutions my self ...

either too change the relay to some other relay which has the setting range from ( 0.1 ..... 1XIn) .. sir can u suggest me which realy is best suitable ??

2nd to change the CT with 50/5 or even lower ..

please help me ... i will v greatful to you ...

kind regards..

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Re: ABB SPAJ 140c relay ... plz help

10/26/2009 10:57 AM

Provide Interposing CT of ratio 1.5/1.Choose Relay 1 amp setting.

for 27 Amps primary current,there will be current flow of 1.35 amps in the 100/5 CT and 0.9 amps in the Interposing CT.

for current of 20 Amps in the primary,CT current on the main CT will be 1 amp and 0.66 amps in the Interposing CT an you can set the relay at 0.66 to get activated at 20 Amps primary.

Hope this is clear.

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