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Submarine Engineering

12/08/2009 3:47 PM

Can any one please tell me how a submarine keeps water pressure out of the engine,when it is submerged,how is the diesel Engine connected to the propeller without affecting the pressure of the submarine,i am aware that the it has to change between diesel and Nuclear energy before it submerges,all i want to know is how it prevents water pressure from traveling up through the Axle's propeller.

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Re: Submarine Engineering

12/08/2009 4:23 PM

the diesel engine powers the a generator which powers electric motor which powers shaft nuclear powers turns turbine which powers genny, in reality nuclear subs do not need diesel engines except for back up power

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12/08/2009 4:50 PM

By means of a shaft seal.

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12/09/2009 2:10 AM

I believe you've got it, Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. Tornado :-) And, I have at least heard that for most the seal is a ferrofluidic liquid seal ... but, being neither a submariner, nor submarine mechanic, I don't know for sure. Kind regards ...

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12/08/2009 8:18 PM

Secret Cyborgs Created by Frankenstein Split their lips in a Patented manner and as they are having sex with perverted normal sailors scream and moan so as to reverse pressure flow.

It is all a secret zipper thing you are not authorized to be privy to.

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12/08/2009 9:29 PM

This is incorrect.

Prior to the crew snot seal on capital ships, all capital ships sank.

Understanding of the screw shaft lubrication requirement led to shaft axle prop snot prop slime slip massages that led to rubber rub down in the water capability for early secret nuclear powered sub boats.

It is a fact that no submariners ever have sex.

In the mantime the rubber seals are left over and used for large Goodyear Balloons, and all are crashed and burned and sunk.

Many sailors testify to the events of the past and of events of today, and of tomorrow, when they say sailing will be like sailing.

Some sailors actually think that the wind is of some use, though many prefer the nuclear option and get all their friends from high school to join them in the great new tradition of axle rubbing of their snot on the shaft of the sure to sink submarine they design specifically as hidden coffins for their important patriotic work of sinking whatever they get into.

It is a simple, though complicated story of inventiveness and understanding of the imperatives of the human condition.

The great story of WWI is secret, for it was not the Dreadnought that changed history, but the introduction of the Snotnot.

Typical of new advertising and propaganda, not, meant so, and new meant old, so levitating means sinking and sinking means flying and so on.

Later we found that bananas were useful.

However experts cannot win a war of banana conflict with the snot dread due to Dole.

The Pig Shaped Fat Submarine is secret and quiet.

P.S. Please forgive me, my humor is terrible, I was reading about Dreadnoughts prior to checking in and was caused some how to create the Snot Not.

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Re: Submarine Engineering

12/08/2009 11:29 PM

submarine diesel engines operate up to snorting depth and engine exhaust,cooling system is designed to work up to the pressure developed by sea (Normally 10Mtr Depth ie 1Kg/sq cm or 1BAR approximately how ever with new-clear submarines this problem doesn't have any meaning

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12/09/2009 5:53 AM

Were these Indian submarines, ex British submarines that had past their use-by-date???

I asked this question, because many ex naval personnel from Commonwealth countries, can testify to the heaps of shit the British would palm off to their allies.........from experience, I can truly say that I was glad we weren't their enemies. e.g. the aircraft carrier HMAS Sydney, was............wait for it...........the ex HMS Terrible...........what a bloody understatement was.

Not that I was.........or had any desire to be a submariner..........but, I believe snorting was particularly pleasant.........NOT...........in rough weather???

Did the sea water cooling system have a NRV fitted in the discharge O/B line?

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Re: Submarine Engineering

12/16/2009 4:47 AM

Hello Guest

I always assumed the snorkel worked by using a float to keep the air intake and exhaust discharge above water. Obviously essential for the intake, and if it's there for the intake it seems logical to have it for the exhaust also. So exhaust would be at atmospheric pressure. Is this wrong?

For cooling, I assume there's a heat exchanger with sea water on the cold side (you wouldn't want to put sea water through your engine jacket!) This would see sea water pressure (at least up to snorkelling depth) but easy enough to desiogn for that.

On the original post - somebody mentioned shaft seal. I'd just add it doesn't have to give a perfect seal, a bit of leakage doesn't matter, it can run down to the lowest point of the sub and be pumped out.

Cheers......Codey

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12/09/2009 6:59 AM

The boats only run the diesals when "surfaced". At other depths they run off of battery banks which are charged by the diesals.

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12/09/2009 2:49 PM

German engineers invented the submarine snorkel. Late in World War II, one new type German submarine traveled over 2,000 miles and only something like 225 miles of that were on the surface. As others have pointed out, with nuclear power, new submarines can stay submerged indefinitely.

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12/09/2009 10:24 AM

Is this a joke? I know that engineers have a weird sense of humor - or the lack thereof but this has to a troll.

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12/09/2009 11:58 AM

You've got to be kidding me, right?

What kind of sub would have both a diesel engine and a nuke????? If you have a nuke, that's all you need to run the entire flaming boat!!!!

You will notice that I didn't use the word "SHIP" here.....know enough to know the difference!!!

Must be a Chinese "Junk"...... *LOL*

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12/09/2009 4:04 PM

If you are talking about an air breather only, diesel/ electric. Supply air comes through the conning tower and when the boat dives the main induction valve closes. as for running while snorkeling. There is many a submariner will tell you about what happens when they encounter a large wave and the valve would slam shut causing a massive negative pressure in the sub. The propeller shaft is simple. Seals and lots of them.

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12/09/2009 9:36 PM

LIGNUM VITAE!

(it is so fun to say, I am glad for any good reason to bring it up. It may not be the complete pressure seeal, but the 'tree of life' is functionally a large part of the shaft bearing.)

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12/10/2009 8:15 AM

Correction..............used to be...........no longer used..........the tree huggers got onto it.

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12/10/2009 1:37 PM

On the USS Daniel Boone SSBN-629 we had an Emergency Diesel a Fairbanks-Morse 6 Cylinder Model D 8 1/8 Opposed piston engine connected to a 300KW, 60 cycle AC generator. We also had a 150 horsepower emergency propulsion electric motor as part of the Main Shaft Line Components. We had a double shaft seal, each composed of a carbon seal ring (moving) mated to a stellite stationary seal ring. I made 11 patrols and 3 special ops on the Boone . . . total about 3 years underwater.

Design leak rate through the seals was less than 1 gpm.

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12/16/2009 5:34 AM

I am sorry my friend..........nukes or conventional subs...........you can stick those "pig " boats right up where the monkey stuck his finger..............up his fundamental orifice.

I'm a destroyer man............"gimme the boats"............or minesweepers .............or patrol boats..........even bloody aircraft carriers...........but...........please anything, anything but those "sludgemarines".

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12/10/2009 1:51 PM

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Somewhat the arrangement of the shaft seal.

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12/10/2009 6:27 PM

There are new quiet diesel subs that are able to run the diesels while submerged.

Here's how:They carry bottled oxygen and Argon Gas.They are mixed to become combustion air for the diesel engine.The exhaust is run through a scrubber.Sea water absorbs CO2, but not Argon, and the Argon is recycled.Only make up oxgen is required.They can go very long periods without surfacing.Not like a Nuke, but much longer than in the past.They emit about as much sound running as a flashlight when it is turned on:None.Very stealthy.Very dangerous, and much cheaper than nukes.Puts them within the budget reach of many small countries. Couple that with cavitation bubble torpedoes that can exceed 500 MPH, and the oceans have never been more dangerous than they are today.

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12/10/2009 6:32 PM

Scary huh!!!

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