Positive effects of global warming

If the changes outstrip our ability to adapt in time they will be negative overall, as far as we are concerned.

Species have become extinct, and extinctions have accelerated.

Apparently birds are left of the dinosaur line for instance.

Possibly we ought to adapt by breeding with penguins.

Those creatures that can fly and have hands are likely to do alright.

We may have the ability to genetically engineer a light headed flying humanoid penguin creature able to eat mercury laden fish.

Truly it would appear that we need to get on the job of proactive evolutionary engineering to make creatures suited for the world to come.

As we know Roger Pink is not wild about the penguin threat, so possibly we need to encourage within him a love of the cockroach as a focus for genetic engineering our replacements.

In fact a penguin and a cockroach are of similar appearance, so maybe as the world turns we are advised to breed them together to get a flying cockpenheduropolrous capable of the recommended adaptibility as the environment changes.

Positively there is opportunity here for New and Better!

Aw come on trans....,

Man has technology and can adapt even to space, so I don't see adaptation as a problem, besides wouldn't we want to cross with plants so we can have chlorophile in our skin and produce our own food.

If the planet warms and more land is available to plant food on, wouldn't this be a good thing?

Spacecannon

A brainiac cockroach penguin plant creature frightened my wife the other night during a thunderstorm.

I admit I did shake the big green plant.

Possibly a coconut cockroach, penguin human genetically designed replacement for us, is a more complete idea, though it would be better if it could swim like a shark or a fish too.

I have set my people on it.

If the planet warms it is likely waters will rise resulting in less land to grow stuff on.

Potable water is already very short of demand.

What I now recommend is creating a creature able to eat and breath and fly around in a soup of pollutants.

It will not need pure water.

It will like all the plastics and will regard us when we are extinct as very smart for engineering a fine head attached to the body of the penguin cockroach solution to the environmental change.

Trans...,

looks like the subject of this thread was usurpt by greater intellectuals than I, have you seen the latest list from CR4 at the bottom of the list is a better written thread.

Spacecannon

Forgive me, I simply cannot stay in serious mode completely all of the time.

I seriously cannot imagine positive effects of global warming, or what I am calling Environmental Change, significant enough to outweigh the negatives.

In particular the rise of ocean levels represents dangers to islanders and populations living on shores.

It is of course good to maintain some optimism and humor about even the worst of situations.

Depression can be paralyzing.

As far as our ability to maintain some presence in outer space, it turns out to be a good deal more hostile environment than SciFi writers of my generation often represented it.

I don't think we are anywhere near really conquering that environment.

I am more for near earth outer space infrastructure, than I am really for trips to Mars by humans at this time. I have changed over the years and gotten interested in doing things in order. A phrase, or saying I like is: "It is not the great things you do every now and then, but the little things you do everyday."

So many of the little things we as mankind do out of choice, or compromise have added up to create a negative situation.

The world is not becoming overpopulated, it already is.

My evidence for that statement is the fact that so many have no access to clean water already. The fact that many species of fish are either greatly diminished, or both diminished and toxic for us to eat is more evidence.

If there was some positive to more of the oceans as allowing more room for fish we could catch and eat, you might make a positive out of that, but it sure doesn't look like that is now the case, or will be, even at current population pressures.

I do see human overpopulation of the planet as the main factor influencing Environmental Change.

I've seen someone ask why aren't we yet growing wheat in Greenland? Maybe later we will, but Greenland isn't that big, and more of it will be underwater as oceans rise.

Some say not to worry, we'll have a big war or a major disease will come along, and that will fix the overpopulation problem. I don't see that as much of a positive either.

I tell you some of those who are most argumentative with Global Warming evidence and trends, are likely to feel betrayed by companies that do transform themselves into energy companies, instead of Oil or Coal companies, and wrest control of alternatives so as to maintain their profits.

I even see dangers in some of my own theories concerning the US need for a National Power Grid capable of accepting more efficiently electric power from Solar and Wind, Tidal and Geothermal sources.

Trans...,

I agree with some of what you said and think it was a thoughtful GA.

I have been following another topic "part2 of oceans warming" and I feel that the earth is probably warming but, not caused by man.

That if the oceans rise significantly, I'll be sad by the loss of the islands, but that man will have time to adapt, though difficult things may become, mans over population is mans problem and that earth abides.

Spacecannon

I tell you some of those who are most argumentative with Global Warming evidence and trends, are likely to feel betrayed by companies that do transform themselves into energy companies, instead of Oil or Coal companies, and wrest control of alternatives so as to maintain their profits.

Precisely why ramping up production of the micro nuke reactors should be a priority...

Yeah, right.

Get a Russian made Nuclear Battery for cheap!

Go right to Afghanistan and start asking around for that and a 10 mega ton suitcase bomb.

(Hear 85 of those are unaccounted for. Don't know the price.)

While you're at it see what the going price for some left over Stinger missiles is.

(80 grand is what CIA is last reported to be offering for those.)

You may have to pay more in Moscow, though air connections will be better, and cheaper and you may feel safer.

Go stick an anode and cathode in your septic tank and get 2 volts.

Check Ebay for surplus Russian nuclear batteries.

Iran needs you, as a front, go girl!

P.S. I was visiting on the BP site earlier today, quote from there: "BP accepts the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change." - those fools. They must be out of their minds to be investing in Solar, Wind and Biofuel.

P.S. I was visiting on the BP site earlier today, quote from there: "BP accepts the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change." - those fools. They must be out of their minds to be investing in Solar, Wind and Biofuel.

I suppose that explains the spike in NG the resource we have an over abundance of surplus going up in price BP owns about two thirds of our supply.

Go right to Afghanistan and start asking around for that and a 10 mega ton suitcase bomb.

(Hear 85 of those are unaccounted for. Don't know the price.)

About 40 years in the clink...

Positive yes - A lot of environmental "specialists" livelihood depend on it.

The positive effects of global warming is global cooling. That about covers it. I have discovered where all of the nuts are. CR4

Assuming global warming is going to continue for a while and the balancing global cooling won't become noticeable for 100 years or so and that CO2 levels will continue to rise for the reasonable future, the following advantages should occur:

1. Increased CO2 gives increased crop and other food production from the same land area.

2. Temperate zone will extend further towards the poles, making more land available for agriculture and more comfortable living further north.

3. Increased temperatures mean more evaporation and more rainfall over most of the earth.

4. Wet tropics will expand into some of the dry tropics making it more productive.

5. Desert regions will be squeezed between wet tropics and temperate zone, thereby being reduced overall.

At this point you wonder why the worry?

The down side is that desert will move into some of the present temperate zone, right where most of the money and political power resides.

Generally, tropics and third world countries will benefit.

Near polar locations will benefit.

Northern temperate zones will benefit.

Most of the current hot desert regions will benefit.

Southern parts of the temperate zone will lose.

Incidentally, during the medieval warm period, grain was grown in Greenland, native grapes grew in Southern Canada, there were commercial vineyards in Britain (some sources also say Scotland, but I'm not sure of this), irrigation was carried out in the Takla Makan desert on a far larger scale than is possible today, currently marginal parts of China and India were farmed, Tibet grew more grain than it can today etc.

(Sorry, the "experts" tell us that the medieval warm period was restricted to northern Europe. Funny how Canada, Tibet and China have changed their geography since then! They also tell us that it was not as warm as today, despite the historical records telling us otherwise.)

I do not think that during the medieval warm period the human population of the planet was even yet at a billion.

If the event of global temperature rise was now happening with the technologies we do wonderfully have across the board, and the human population was at a number similar to that of the medieval period, it well might be less of a problem.

That is not the case now.

As of now according to the technologies we do wonderfully have across the board global temperature rise is static it well might be less of a problem.

Well said...

Don't think you got me quoted quite right.

If the human population of the planet was 1 billion, instead of 6 billion, and we had all the great technologies we have, Climate Change, Global Warming, or whatever you want to call it, would not represent the threats it does.

However this is not the case.

*Don't think you got me quoted quite right.

But it is a truth no less.

Climate change is an adjustment known throughout time and change is prevailing with or without us.

*Climate Change, Global Warming, or whatever you want to call it, would not represent the threats it does.

Afraid of the unknown; been watching too much TV eh?

You can't quantify it with real data because not enough is known or has ever been known to draw a substantive conclusion. So we just don't know, we may group it in with the other great unknowns such as is the Sun burning out? Is dark matter empty space?

Let's order our thought's upon realities where cause and effect is a matter of contextual measure in quantitative parts; no fudging allowed.

Climate change is occurring, the earth is warming; except the preceding nine years, and greenhouse gases are increasing what of it life goes on. Ice packs over water are receding but are deepening over land; warming oceans are melting floating ice, yes? Warming oceans release more C02 why isn't this known factor included in the media accounts? It doesn't fit the crisis well??

Any knowledgeable being will admit there is order in the universe whereas chaos is an invention from within the mind of man.

"He was too young to be trusted with the knowledge that the truth, is not necessarily the facts." - William Faulkner - A Fable.

"The greatest Tragedy, is to live according to incorrect ideals." -RSD.

- What I think Absolam Abosolam is about.

I am aware that some people believe in things that are not true, but that since they believe it, that makes it true to them.

Life does not necessarily go on. There is strong evidence for instance, I am not going to live forever.

P.S. It does not endear you to me for you to misquote me and then tell me that what you believe, made what I said more true, than what I said.

Often when we drive straightening a curve maybe of convenience or crash avoidance.

It wasn't a quote at all only straightening a curve

If you think I'll let it stand for you to take my words and twist them as a quote allowed by me, you've got shit for brains. -get my drift?

I know how to drive.

The only negative that will appear from the current global warming (cooling within the last 10 years) is the Algores and other idiots use of it as a "futures" trading process that takes real measurable CO2 and puts a penalty on it for it's creation. A tax on progress.

Algore is a fool as are most current Americans educated within the last 45 years which is now most of the population. It is doubtful if most people even know what the CO2 life cycle is and how it works. Life would end without it. It is the only thing that sustains plant life and plant life makes oxygen. Even if you know nothing else that should be enough to know all you need to know about Algore, the idiot.

If you are still a believer in CO2 being harmful, that means you should not be breathing. That would be helpful. That means on average the gene pool will be getting smarter which is good because the rest of us will have to live and the real facts will now begin to work in our favor as soon as the gene pool "cleans" itself up. I believe the record for holding ones breath is about 15 minutes, it should not take long at all to clean all this "misunderstanding" up.

Not so sure about that since it "cap and trade" apparently worked in relation to Sulfur Dioxide reducing the acid rain that was killing trees. Apparently you like trees, since they use Carbon Dioxide to make Oxygen, which we need more of than we do CO2, though we do have a need for balance.

I think too much of a good thing can be harmful.

Thanks for your prompt. I needed to look up more on how cap and trade worked out in relation to acid rain.

All plant life uses CO2, including the algae in the ocean which is how life started, then eventually evolved into life forms that used the oxygen created by the plant forms of life.

To much of a good thing does not happen in nature. CO2 if in excess gets stored as limestone in the earth aftter processing in the oceans and gets moved with plate tectonics. Limestone makes up a large part of the upper crust of the earth. In the great plains from the gulf to Canada limestone underlies the earth. That is why the great plains area is the most productive land in the world. "Sweet ground water territory". Rich grassland territory.

Fire or Combustion is nature's recycler. All grassland and forests depend on it for their long term and healthy survival. They evolved with fire. It is needed or plants become weak and susceptible to disease. The "disease" can even be miss named as acid rain blight caused by SO2. Fire puts nutrients back into the soil for easy reuse, kills off parasites and lets CO2 and water vapor back into the atmosphere for reuse by all plant life. Water vapor is water. You may be drinking the piss of a roman (western culture) soldier. Water never goes to waste. It maintains itself and is never lost, just tied up for a while.

SO2 is necessary for life the S molecule is needed in the body. It helps fight disease. You may have heard about the sulfur drugs that were used effectively by medicine before big Pharma and designer patented drugs. Vents in the middle of the Ocean spew SO2 as do Volcanoes on land. Vents in the Ocean have life forms that are vibrant and healthy that use SO2 as food in lieu of Sunlight and oxygen.

Sometimes to know a lot or a little simply means the idiot factor is large simple because one does not still know enough. Lets create an idiot meter. A full scale reading would mean that someone knows nothing but still thinks they know everthing. An Algor would be the baseline for this 100% idiot reading. Maybe you can eventually find yourself on that meter just keep checking and following up on more "information". Try fundamental courses in Math, Chemistry, Physics, biology, organic chemistry, and bio chemistry. Or read Newsweek or the NY Times. That's kind of a binary selection process. This gate and you contribute. That gate--- hopefully you eventually leave the gene pool and or at least stop voting.

I was prompted to look Al Gore up on Wikipedia. By the time I was done with that I liked him better. Frankly I started to wonder why such a fair number of argumentative engineers here on this forum profess such dislike or down right hatred of the guy considering his interests in supporting the sciences and especially the internet.

Even Newt Gingrich says Mr. Gore was unfairly treated in relation to the work he did on behalf of the internet.

Certainly I regard his work in relation to the Space Program as mixed, though I was glad he gave work to Russian Rocket Scientists at the end of the Cold War. Funny how the US and Russia get along now when it comes to Space exploration.

Further he actually did graduate from Harvard, enlist in the Army, and go to Vietnam, unlike former President Bush who joined the Air National Guard, and apparently spent a good deal of time partying it up.

His reasons for joining and doing what he did reflected a desire to support his father, and much of his own personal life has reflected more of the "family values", so many of the Right wing pay lip service to.

Maybe you are the one who needs to do some study?

As far as whether or not there is never too much of a good thing in nature some of what institutions like the EPA attempt to do is preserve nature. While we, mankind spend an inordinate amount of time in conflicts with each other, our true conflict is with nature when it is either too hot, too cold, too dry or too wet for us.

Putting SOs in rocks, is one thing, putting it in trees is another.

If you want to maintain we have no influence over these events, and simply hope that I'll quit breathing, well I feel I have as much right to breath as you might, and you might have to put up with me being around till my time is up.

As far as your idiot meter and where I might want to put myself, I'd rather be the 100 percent Harvard educated idiot you call Mr. Gore, than some others.

Algore may be all that you say but he doesn't practice what he preaches.

I don't know who has a patent on hypocrisy.

I myself am not pleased with some of his record, and wonder whether or not he ought to have fought a bit harder for the Presidency, that there is much evidence that he rightly won.

I sometimes wonder if there was a blot on his past used in back rooms that caused him to back down. It is of no small note in the history of the Republic that it was the only time that the Supreme Court determined who the President would be.

The resignation of Sandra Day Oconnor did not happen the day after that event, but I wonder about what the full story was, for the public story and the reality may well have two faces and we do need to read between the lines.

Just as I might well want to keep a few secrets, I can't imagine people with much more power than myself might want to keep a few too.

The lines from the Bob Dylan song Subterranean Homesick Blues come to mind: "Look out kid, they keep it all hid. Better jump down the alleyway, find yourself a new way."

I hear he buys carbon offsets. I hear he does use renewable energy sources for his three homes. I hear he flies around in corporate jets.

I suppose even Obama, to be all correct ought not fly in Air Force One, but go by sailboat.

Still overall Gore has a pretty good public record of support for science and innovation. He served in uniform. He said he suspected he was not put into combat purposefully by the Nixon administration so as not to make his father look better, as his father while initially supporting the Vietnam war had changed his position.

I'm not too happy with him or Clinton for their lack of support for my initiatives and work attempting to advance UN television. I've never yet even seen any Current TV, but as far as I can tell from reports of it, the money offered for the work is way below industry standards.

It is interesting how many politicians and difficult artists end up painting pictures with brushes. US Grant painted early, won the war in partnership with Lincoln, whereas Ike and Churchill, and Dos Passos took up painting after their victories.

Many say painting is the happiest art.

Ike gave us the Interstate Highway system, and Gore helped give us the internet, and Bush gave us a world war that will go on forever.

As Vonngut said, "So it goes."

Ike gave us the Interstate Highway system, and Gore helped give us the internet, and Bush gave us a world war that will go on forever.

Ya know the Afghan freedom fighters were recruited an provided weaponry to prosecute an offensive in south eastern Europe; party to the conflicts on going during the Clinton/Gore watch. This was the formulative time and training ground of al-Qaeda put blame due.