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Sodium Hypochlorite as Bleach Sanitizer

12/11/2009 7:13 PM

I have a question concerning the most cost effective way to sanitize.

I have a customer in the food processing industry that buys skids of what appears to be granular chlorine in 5-gal pails, it is definitely chlorine, although I need to take a closer look to see if it is DICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE or TRICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE after finding that I have access to an alternate solution.

In their agricultural business, food processing and packaging plants they use this everywhere mixed with water, every evening the spray down the loading docks, semi-truck beds, warehouse floors, processing equipment, packaging room and processing room floors, etc., etc.

I currently do not have this piece of business nor access to this exact product, but one on our chemical manufacturers offers Sodium Hypochlorite as a bleach sanitizer.

Specific Gravity: 1.017

pH: 12.0

Sodium Hypochlorite: 12.5%

Available in 5-gallon pails and 55-gallon drums

At 1 oz of Sodium Hypochlorite per 5-gallons of water reaches the desired 200 ppm for general sanitation use according to the manufacturer's literature.

I have yet to do the math calculations, but am under the impression that this should be more cost effective than what they are doing/using now?

I'm not sure if I understand the correct mathematical approach to do a direct cost comparison, although I will attempt it if it is known that Sodium Hypochlorite is likely more cost effective, generally speaking, than DICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE or TRICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE.

If this is typically true, I may come back for some mathematical help if I am unable to do the comparison properly, as the customer will more than likely tell me their price and then ask me to show the savings, which annually could be worthwhile.

There may be Pros and Cons that I am completely unaware of, other than cost savings, and those insights would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the help in advance!

Best Regards,

Brian

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Re: Sodium Hypochlorite as a bleach sanitizer

12/11/2009 10:52 PM

Brian,

The compound they are using is indeed TRICHLORO-S-TRIAZINETRIONE (found it on Wiki very quickly). You first need to get prices for each. After that, you need to know how much of each will treat the same surface area. If you can't get those, or at least an estimate, you are SOL.

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12/12/2009 11:39 PM
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Re: Sodium Hypochlorite as Bleach Sanitizer

12/13/2009 1:35 AM

Also take in consideration to compare stability sodium hypo is not stable, corrotion, safety to worker, application process (dilutions), shelflife etc.. I think your customer should be aware of sodium hypo advan and disadva.

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Re: Sodium Hypochlorite as Bleach Sanitizer

12/14/2009 3:21 AM

Hi Brian,

for our clients in Europe and to avoid use chlorine for the colateral effects of this, We recomended to use a Aqua Salveo Water Desinfectanct (ASWD) www.aquasalveo.com, this product replace totally the sodium hypochlorite in all his complete actual applications, with enormous vantages.

Don't produce any reaction for the human menbranes, is the only disinfectant approved for Human comsumption, and when you use this product is possible to gain enormous vantages that today the chlorine kill.

This product is approved for the food industry (sabs 1827 mark ),

I hope this can to help you.

Best regards,

Gustav

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Re: Sodium Hypochlorite as Bleach Sanitizer

12/14/2009 7:59 AM

First, your customer should have an MSDS that specifies WHAT the chemical is. Also, pricing should tell you if it's simple HOCl or a more complex molecule.

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Re: Sodium Hypochlorite as Bleach Sanitizer

12/14/2009 9:00 AM

Have you considered using ozonated water for these sanitisation activities.... you don't have to transport chemicals - it's therefore safer, its environementally favourable, more effective, already used extensively in the food processing industry, etc..

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Re: Sodium Hypochlorite as Bleach Sanitizer

12/14/2009 2:08 PM

What you are looking for is the percentage of chlorine in the product. It's the same in the pool chemical business. The higher percentage of chlorine in the product the less you have to use in order to achieve the same sanitizing levels. Liquid/gas chlorine is 100% but you'll most likely never see it unless at a public pool of sufficient capacity to justify the hazards associated, not to mention the special training associated with it. Dichlor has less chlorine % wise than trichlor, so you need more. Sodium hypochlorite in a 12.5% concentration is approximately household bleach.

The more concentrated it is the less you will use. Your supplier with the 5 gallon and 55 gallon containers is making a killing because the customer is paying a lot of money to buy and have water shipped. Also, liquid bleach will lose its potency over a period of time. Every time you open the container, a small amount of gaseous chlorine will be lost.

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