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01/09/2010 10:37 AM

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Could someone there advice: I have just rewired a residential house and inorder to control overcurrent and earth leakages, I installed all the circuits with Rcbos. And because the type of earthing used is a TT system, I have installed a RCD and MCB at the incoming mains. Now the querry is when I reset the Main RCD, either all the Rcbos trip or the RCD trips. But when I bypass the RCD, the Rcbos operate well. So could this mean that the problem is with the incoming mains?

How can I find out?

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01/09/2010 2:50 PM

WTH is the BFD? Your communication is NFG. Have you considered a GF?

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01/09/2010 8:12 PM

Don't be so narrow minded. All of the acronyms he used are legitimate for countries other than the US. Just because they mean nothing to you doesn't mean you should mock him.

RCBO = Residual Current Circuit Breaker with Overcurrent Protection: this is essentially the same as a Ground Fault Circuit Breaker. Residual Current is a form of Ground Faul detection, as opposed to Zero Sequence. Here in the US we don't use ZSGFP unless you have a resistance grounded system, which is never the case in residential applications, so we don't bother with the distinction and call everything "Ground Fault".

TT system; In other countries, they have a nicely defined way of describing the way their power delivery is connected to earth (ground), spelled out in International standard IEC 60364 as three families of earthing arrangements, using the two-letter codes TN, TT, and IT.

The first letter indicates the connection between earth and the power-supply equipment (generator or transformer):

T

:direct connection of a point with earth (Latin: terra);

I

:no point is connected with earth (isolation), except perhaps via a high impedance. Here in the US we would call this an Isolated Ground system (IG), as typically seen in hospitals where sensitive medical equipment is going to be plugged in.

The second letter indicates the connection between earth and the electrical device being supplied:

T

:direct connection of a point with earth

N

:direct connection to neutral at the origin of installation, which is connected to the earth. They need to differentiate here because unlike the US where all residences use Line and Neutral for powering devices, in other countries they do not.

RCD = Residual Current Device; This is a Ground Fault device that is external to a circuit breaker, in other words, like a GFCI receptacle, except wired to the circuit breaker to trip it (using a Shunt Trip).

MCB = Miniature Circuit Breaker. These are essentially the equivalent of our residential circuit breakers, as opposed to MCCBs, which are Molded Case Circuit Breakers, although here in the US, residential CBs are still Molded Case.

OK, class dismissed.

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01/11/2010 3:00 PM

JReaf,

You said it right. These are commonly used so most of us understand it.

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01/10/2010 4:31 AM

Isolate the house from the mains and start measuring for ohms between neutral and earth on each of the RCBO circuits; they should all present v.high resistance. One that isn't indicates a fault that needs to be rectified before the installation will work properly.

Check that all of the RCBO circuits' neutral conductors are wired downstream of each RCBO and not connected inadvertently directly to the common neutral bar upstream of them.

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01/10/2010 8:33 AM

Thanks Pwslack, for the suggestions. Actually the type of Rcbos I used are the Merlin Gerin C60H. And I made sure that the Blue/neutral supply lead from the Rcbo is connected to the neutral terminal block and load neutral is connected to the out going terminal of the Rcbo.

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01/11/2010 3:29 AM

OK.

And the circuit neutral-to-earth resistance values?

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