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Thermal Efficiency of a Diesel Engine

01/11/2010 1:30 PM

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I am doing dynamometer tests on a diesel engine. I can measure the RPM and torque of the engine. I measure as well the fuel flow going in the cylindre (it's a 1 cylindre, 3.1 kW 3600 RPM engine).

Varying the load I put on this engine, I find a very wide range of thermal efficiencies. I calculate the power for a certain RPM and Torque and divide it by the fuel flow sent in the cylindre multiplied by the energy of diesel.

I find these ranges:

0.679 kW, 2400 RPM --> nth=4031

2.356 kW, 2500 RPM --> nth=0.5992

1.1 kW, 3500 RPM --> nth=0.1902

3.1 kW, 3300 RPM --> nth=0.2150

I wonder if efficiencies are supposed to vary like this depending on the load and RPM of the engine.

And as my engine is supposed to generate power (part of a generator), it's supposed to run at a rated RPM of 3600. If the efficiency varies like this, shouldn,t have the designers of the engine made it more efficient at 3600 RPM rather than at lower speeds?

Also the problems could come from the way I measure the diesel sent to the cylindre (but I'm a pretty confident about the method, maybe the scale is not precise enough... but before having to nuy a new one, I would like to know if my values have a bit realistic)

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Re: Thermal efficiency of a diesel engine

01/11/2010 2:28 PM

Diesels engines are load sensitive type producers. The injection system is tied directly to the governor, when the load is minimal the injectors are only opened just enough to maintain rpm. The same can be said under load, the fuel is increased to provide more power to maintain the set rpm. Hope this helps.

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Re: Thermal efficiency of a diesel engine

01/11/2010 2:35 PM

Ok thank you, but shouldn't the thermal efficiency of the engine be rather constant. I mean the friction loss, heat loss and everything else should be the same (almost) for any RPM and load or am I wrong?

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Re: Thermal efficiency of a diesel engine

01/11/2010 2:37 PM

Ok thank you, but shouldn't the thermal efficiency of the engine be rather constant. I mean the friction loss, heat loss and everything else should be the same (almost) for any RPM and load or am I wrong?

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Re: Thermal efficiency of a diesel engine

01/11/2010 2:51 PM

Don't confuse diesels with gas engines. Gas engines have the property of using fuel this way. The gas engine will burn the same quantity of fuel at the same rpm under idle or load. The injector system in a diesel only allows the fuel required for that rpm. The gas engine has a pre-set mixture.

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01/13/2010 1:01 PM

me thinks you've misspoke gas engines do not consume the same volume of fuel at a given RPM regardless of load but it will under a set throttle position with a small amount of variance due to RPM changing the vacuum in the intake drawing air/fuel through the carb

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01/11/2010 3:25 PM
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Re: Thermal Efficiency of a Diesel Engine

01/11/2010 4:39 PM

First of all, your single cylinder engine is not going to be the most efficient design for rotating machinery. For a well-designed engine, the efficiency will be low at low load, improve up to some specific load, then begin decreasing as the load exceeds the design load. When one is working with multi-cylinder configurations, there are many options available to "tweak" the design to meet design criteria. If I am reading your data right, your value for 2.356 kW at 2500 rpm seems unreasonably high- I would check the numbers you used to calculate this value. The first two data points suggest that you can "measure" your load significantly more accurately than the last two data points suggest. The last two data points are within the range of what I would expect from this particular engine design. You do not discuss the ambient conditions under which the tests were conducted- air quality, barometric pressure, humidity can all have an effect. Each data point should be determined with multiple measurements at the same load/rpm point to validate them.

A larger, multi-cylinder diesel engine would give you something on the order of 30% thermal efficiency at the peak of the performance curve (when new). A really big, commercial generation station might be able, with proper tweaking and constant monitoring, be able to reach 32% consistently- maybe, under ideal atmospheric conditions, 35% might be achievable temporarily.

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01/11/2010 10:05 PM

VERY interesting...I knew there had been some progress, and there is a key word int eh MAN description- "low" speed. I have suspected this when considering the difference between old 1200 rpm gen sets and newer 1800 rpm gen sets, but never felt comfortable with any comparisons, because we were dealing with pretty old equipment to begin with. I expect diesel to be more efficient than gasoline, if it is properly adjusted, but, breathing diesel fumes all day long suggest to me that most operators are not getting anywhere near optimum efficiencies. In practice, no engine is running at optimum load under ideal conditions, so I doubt seriousl that real operators are going to achieve even the 37% mark over time...

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Re: Thermal Efficiency of a Diesel Engine

01/11/2010 9:56 PM

This paper may prove useful/interesting:

http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/ajas/ajas56610-617.pdf

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Re: Thermal Efficiency of a Diesel Engine

01/13/2010 1:30 PM

the thermal efficiencies will vary due to design/RPM. Many engines are designed to run at a specific RPM and used for a wide range of applications outside of the optimum and are used as is. cylinder head,combustion chamber and intake manifold size (shape,diameter,length) have a great deal to do with fuel and thermal efficiencies as a large amount of heat is exhaust the more air the more exhaust less air = incomplete combustion but as a rule more air is better in a single cyl. eng. intake runner is important for operating RPM because of the pulsation caused by the opening and closing of the valves ideally you want it to open just as the pressure pulse peaks in a stationary eng. this is easy to adjust in automotive this becomes a little more challenging because of the wide RPM range. I hope I haven't muddied the water to much.

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