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555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/19/2010 1:13 PM

I am trying to build a simple a stable 555 timer to switch a smallish dc motor off and on. In simulation it works. However, when I proto the board, everything works right, on/off interval is good, relay opens and closes.......................until I add the motor, then I get the magic smoke from the 555 chip. Pin 8 Vdd burned off. So, obviously the chip is not isolated from the load of the motor, how would you recommend dealing with that? Diagram can be viewed or download as a jpg at:

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Re: 555 timer for motor pulsing - FIRE!!!!

01/19/2010 1:31 PM

You seem to be exceeding the output current rating of the chip. Use the chip to turn on/off a power transistor or optoisolator which is rated for at least 1.5x the motor current.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - FIRE!!!!

01/19/2010 2:01 PM

Hello, scott:

This was covered a little while ago...

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/43874/555-Timer-for-Motor-Control

You will find some pretty good ideas there.

[Edit] As stevem advises, the best idea in thread (I think) uses opto-isolator.

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Re: 555 timer for motor pulsing - FIRE!!!!

01/19/2010 2:35 PM

From your circuit posted, you have set the 555 timer chip for Astable operation (the output driving the inductive relay load will turn on and off).

There are a few problems that are likely preventing your circuit from working on the bench (as opposed to on the computer). The first is that the capacitor across the 555 voltage control (pin 5 to 0V return) is missing! There should be a 0.01uF capacitor here.

Second, the resistor and capacitor selection for the duty cycle timing is not correct. The capacitance of C (100uF) and combined resistance of RA (1k) and RB (59K) are outside the 555 settable (stable and predictable) operating parameters. Additionally there is no decoupling capacitor across your 12V supply, with such a large load your supply voltage to the 555 timer chip could be sagging significantly when the motor turns on.

These problems may be what is causing part of your problem. The other part of the problem is the inductive spikes from the DC motor when it switches off. You have the snubber diode across the relay coil, but not one across the motor (the diode in series with the output (pin 3) is not enough to protect the 555 chip. This is the most likely reason for your damaged 555 timer chip, but the other points above should be addressed also.

Try modifying the circuit as mentioned above. If you are still confused try looking at the 555 timer data sheet or at 555 application notes or 555 motor drive circuits (all readily available on the internet).

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - FIRE!!!!

01/19/2010 3:41 PM

Thanks for the reply guys. I will definitely make the changes suggested, and give her a go. I grabbed a handful of chips today, so, as long as I don't catch the drapes on fire, I should be able to get it going.

Would you recommend sizes for the decoupling capacitor and the cao across the motor?

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - FIRE!!!!

01/19/2010 6:36 PM

47uF for the decoupling capacitor seems fairly common, it isn't to critical but you may need more depending on your motor current and power supply (what are these by the way?) especially if you are running of battery(s) where battery voltage droop becomes a problem.

As for the snubber diode (cao?) across the motor, a standard and cheap 1A 400V (or better) diode is probably going to be fine (eg-1N4007), but again it depends on the motor current.

What's the application?

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/19/2010 5:21 PM

Make sure the motor snubber diode can handle the kickback current. Its repetitive surge current rating should be at least as great as the full-load current of the motor at turn-off.

For power supply bypass, use at least 10 µFd paralleled with 0.01 µFd. The smaller capacitor makes up for the relatively poor high frequency response of the electrolytic unit (it may not be necessary with a new capacitor, but it is if you use an older technology electrolytic cap out of a junk box). Keep the distance between the cap and the IC power and ground leads as short as possible.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/19/2010 7:42 PM

Your frequency is a little bit low and you may want to use a bjt or mosfet instead of a relay.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/20/2010 12:20 AM

Hi The back EMF from the motor is killing your IC. Use a good quality Zener diode of 13 Volt in parallel with IC supply, close to IC on Pins 1 and 8. This should solve your problem. Or use an independant supply for motor and timer circuit.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/20/2010 1:16 AM

Please add freewheeling diode across dc-motor.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/20/2010 3:39 AM

Yes it is the correct solution may be a 1N5404 diode connected in reverse bias condition across motor will take care

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/20/2010 7:22 AM

Preferably a Schottky diode which is high speed and low resistance.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/20/2010 10:23 AM

So you have failed the smoke test. Time to re-evaluate

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/20/2010 3:03 PM

I would add a reverse diode across the motor.

I would also either use a MOSFET instead of a relay or buffer the 555 to the relay with a transistor.

Check wich 555 the circuit was designed for, the old NE555 could handle more current if I remember correctly than modern equivalents....also, I do believe (from memory) that the chips all sink current better than sourcing (as shown here).

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/21/2010 5:17 PM

Thanks, again. With these wonderful suggestions I know I can get it going. Thanks for everybody's time.

I was asked what this was being used for - just pulsing a small pump motor (bilge type pump) off and on.

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Re: 555 Timer for Motor Pulsing - Fire!

01/21/2010 11:37 PM

TAKE RA=10K INSTED OF 1K AND CAPACITOR 10MF INSTED OF 100MF.

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