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Cutting Gas Volume Loss

01/25/2007 3:03 AM

Hi, i have the following problem.

I am the engineer at a profile cutting company, i have noticed of late that when one of the machines is gas cutting plates over 85mm thick some way through the cut the flame will drop slightly causing a few cm of un-even cut.

I have checked all drive axis, motors etc

I have upped the oxygen gas pressure on the main bulk supply to 195 psi from 160

The system is a tree style with branches off to other lanes that do not cut over 25mm.

The cutter in mention is on a branch where 2 machine feed off the same branch, both are used to cut plates up to 340mm thick.

The problem occur-es whether or not the second machine is cutting or not.

I am using high flow flashback arresters etc.

Q. 1, is this related to the size of my bulk O2, or some other thing that i am overlooking

Q. 2, is there any thing on the market that i can hire or purchase that will give me a read out of my pressure/volume, in real time, and record the results.

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Re: Cutting gas Volume loss

01/25/2007 6:10 AM

Have the temperatures and pressures of the bulk gas containers been checked? Using the gas will cause a lowering of temperature and pressure at the container. The container pressure might drop below that set at the pressure regulator, leading to a reduction of flow...

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Re: Cutting gas Volume loss

01/25/2007 11:49 AM

This is a good point to start. I have seen this phenomen a lot at home in my PNG driven water heater during the winter.

Also, check if all the pressure regulators, solenoid valves and these things in the line are for high flow. With increase in flow, they may cause a significant pressure drop.

Is there any chance that a moving part of your machine is somehow biting a supply hose?

I don't think it's possible or reasonable because I don't know your facility or even how often it occurs, but you could try to simply install a cheap manometer with a drag pointer and see how much the pressure dropped in your machine inlet. If it dropped or not, you can determine if it's your source or equipment is bad.

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Re: Cutting gas Volume loss

01/26/2007 6:27 AM

Is one, or are both, of the pressure regulators freezing as a result of gas expansion?

P1 x V1 / T1 = P2 x V2 / T2

- that sort of thing...

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Re: Cutting Gas Volume Loss

01/25/2007 11:43 PM

There is missing information:

Is this the only cutting torch that is "dropping" when cutting thick plates?

What is the pressure on the torch side of the final regulator?

While liquefied gas tanks will certainly drop way down in pressure at high flows, this would likely affect other torches as well, unless the torch regulators were set lower. Compressed tanks are at such a high pressure, the only effect at high flows would be that the regulator would get very cold which could easily effect its output, but again this would likely effect other torches as well.

If the problem is only with the one torch when cutting thick plates, that is where to look: in that circuit, the torch itself, how the machine moves the torch, etc.

The volume of tanks can be determined by placing them on a scale. With an electronic scale with data output, and a pressure transducer, volume and pressure can be read and recorded by either a computer, data logger, chart recorder, etc.

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01/26/2007 3:08 AM

did you have heater on oxygen supply? could be freezing.

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01/26/2007 7:04 AM

Suggest manifolding Oxygen downstream of regulators.Also LPG/Acetylene bus from start.

Try Two O2 cylinders to start.Operate your Cut with just one Cylinder.

At first appearance of "choking"-open 2nd one--if this restarts GOOD cut ,try shutting 1st Cylinder. If now " choking" reappears, open second Cylinder again.If now Cut is going fine--let it go on that way. Watch it.

If the cutting goes on fine-you will do well to change over to a manifold at the 160 PSI level as routine.

If that did not solve--you get Instrumentation/Data logging and Ph.D's to solve this.

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