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KWH

01/28/2010 11:32 PM

Dear Sir,

I want a formula of to take a KWH on single phase and theree phase.

Thanks

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Re: KWH

01/29/2010 12:37 AM

1-phase: hours x volts x amps x 1/power factor x 1/efficiency of device being powered, or hEI /(pf x eff.)

3-phase: √3 hEI /(pf x eff.)

Those are simplifications based on constant load and balanced current. If the load varies, it becomes ∫t1t2 (EtIt/(pft x eff.t))dt for 1-phase; the subscripts t meaning that these quantities may vary over time. For 3-phase, √3 times all that. (I'm not sure my notation is exact or conventional, but I hope it explains the idea.)

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Re: KWH

01/29/2010 12:50 AM

Sir,

can u help me in single phase in that formula there is 1 it is a constant thing or what???
And what is the efficiency of device being powered or hEI

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01/29/2010 1:39 AM

The "1" (which might look like the lower-case letter "L") is just the numeral "one." In other words, the formula uses the reciprocals of pf and eff.

hEI = hours, volts, amps respectively, multiplied together--just rephrasing the word formula from before.

Efficiency applies especially to motors, which may be around 0.85 in small motors to 0.95 or better in large motors. Electrical resistance heaters are 1.00 efficient.

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01/29/2010 2:00 AM

T:

KWH = ∫VI CosΦ /1000 dt where V,I,Φ are f(t)

or if simple (inaccurate form)

= tVI CosΦ

t in hrs, V amd I in Volts and amperes resepectively.

(not 1/cosΦ)

and also efficiency does not matter since we are not concerned with the output mechanical/other powers

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01/29/2010 2:27 AM

Oops, I'm sorry--I forgot the 1000 factor for KW vs. W!

For "normal" AC loads, cos φ is the same as power factor (although power factor can be more complicated depending on wave form).

That was a GA, so I will partly cancel the self-imposed OT. Thanks for catching my mistake!

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01/29/2010 3:29 AM

We old timers do not want to unnecessarily catch others slippage . I do it once in a while and since the question was too elementary even for Dr Watson so the mistake correction on post, i didn't feel necessary.

Even my children understand what is the unit, and how it can be calculated. Of course they are too young to be taught about the √3 or cosΦ, only conceptually.

And with so many posts on KW, KVA , Pf and KW or KVA I sometimes feel like screaming when I see a post on it again .

I may resort to a deliberate wrong answer or may be far better I will provide a differential equation using fourier to solve, that will be of course not wrong, but fun.

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01/29/2010 4:33 AM

Well, in that case you probably could really pick me apart! I am by no means a high-level theorist, but I have a notion of Fourier analysis, FFTs, and the like. I'm more of a hands-on type with electrical, hydraulic, and piping experience, with the occasional step up into moderate theory. On CR4 I'm sometimes a prankster, but mostly I try to give ideas that are technically sound at a conceptual level or so. Once in a while I goof, but for the most part I hope I have found a decent balance.

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01/29/2010 2:00 PM

For 2-phase supply power is calculated √2*V*I*pf

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01/30/2010 7:20 AM

Calculate your power in kw for single phase and multiply by the hour used.

Calculate the power in three phase and multiply by the hour used.

Power in three phase is P=√3VIcosΦ

Power in single phase is P=VIcosΦ

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