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02/06/2010 7:10 AM

I want once for ever stop the different discussions about GA and the way they can be interpreted.

I made a correlation between the number of comments and the number of GA's obtained and came to an interesting result based on over 30 pairs of values for more or less active "members" it is not a full analysis but the trend is clear.

The above picture shows that without selection of the participation the higher the number of comments the lower the relative number of GAs with a trend to ≈2% of total.

This means that the "value" of the Gas number is totally not significant, the only aspect it shows is is the participant enjoys or not the appreciation of the others.

The participant with the highest number of comments at the moment I made the analysis is Del who deserves a special mention for the intense participation!

Follow PWSlack and Andy all of them with ratios around 2%, of course it is valid only for the sample I took. I have neither the time nor the intention to make a full statistical analysis.

The only comment I already made is that the answers we give are often directed to a very narrow field of interest and many times ONLY the one who asked the question gives a GA. I think that at least the only possibility to appreciate the value FOR the OP is to mention also the number of answers with 1 GA.

So that the more you discuss the less you are worth (relative)!

I hope we will not discuss any more the subject.

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02/06/2010 8:12 AM

"The participant with the highest number of comments at the moment I made the analysis is Del who deserves a special mention for the intense participation!"

He's a cat. What else has he got to do besides eat tuna and type. Oh, and lick himself.

I doubt the discussion of GA's will ever stop. I say if you don't like the way it's done here, start your own forum.

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02/10/2010 3:33 AM

I makeies bowsies too prrrrr prrrr lick lick <hack cough>

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02/10/2010 7:50 AM

I wondered where you were.

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02/06/2010 11:30 AM

You could take you analyst one step farther.

And that is a tangential discussion of the topic. ie off topic but not listed off-topic because the interests is there.

And in stead of starting a new topic, the discussion continues to solve another issue. Not always but its there.

Or as in brainstorming, because you get off topic you actual solve the original problem by addressing it at a different angle.

otherwise......make note to self, "less is more"

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02/06/2010 12:59 PM

So where do I fit in?

I have held a fairly constant average of around 9% GA to total posts ratio. (77/822 at this posting).

Your chart and method of sampling suggests you could work as an environmental studies consultant though. (humor intended)

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02/06/2010 1:18 PM

You are 66% over the limit congratulations!

In fact I did not mention all who are good because I should have to list almost all sample.

I can mention that the best 2 are your self and Jraef who is even better with 109% over the limit.

I appreciate the comments which are normal but I consider the reaction of Lynlynch as not at the level one should expect from a person as he is. I presume he is frustrated to be under the limit, at only 85%.

It is a FREE discussion place and every one has to put down what he thinks. Critical comments are I assumed not only normal but also healthy. As far as I know only in a dictature one has to keep his mouth shut, and of course if I do not like the evolution I am FREE to leave when I want, I would be not the first and of course not the last.

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02/06/2010 8:54 PM

My comments were not clear. Sorry for this. I was not inviting you to leave, but rather telling the complainers to be quiet. You were responding to the other GA post, right?

I should have been more clear. I think the present system is fine.

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02/07/2010 1:10 PM

Analysis by nick shhows more talkative you are, less GAs you will have. tomtech, you can surely increase your rating from 9% to much more, if you reply with only very serious abd best answers.

But, many others like del, get less GAs, but enjoy the forum fully. (Also these people make the forum much more interesting)

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02/06/2010 4:12 PM

I think you're taking this way too seriously and have a few false assumptions in your analysis. (Or I misunderstood what you meant. )

First, all GA's tabulated must include at least one vote not from the OP, you cannot vote twice. (Let's not talk about Guest votes.)

Second, many threads stop when somebody clearly knows what is happening and very succinctly answers the problem. Too often though this answer collects but one GA vote and does not grant the responder a new GA to this list.

I still like the idea of a GAOT vote category for the brilliantly humorous comments. (With this added category, we could even have an regular goat award for the best GAOT total. What about that idea Chris Leonard?)

Lastly, I reserve all of my GA awards for the 5% discount I can get to use at the "compensation time" reimbursement store where I can cash in all of the extra unpaid hours I've spent at work for tangible goods.

I've always looked at this site as a place where I can let my mind and warped humour get challenged while collecting a group of telecommuting friends.

So there's my point. The GAs are not the real reward here, its the serious and silly time we spend with each other.

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02/06/2010 4:42 PM

You rang?

A couple of quick things.

First, an unregistered guest cannot vote. Period.

Second, when (if) we get some programmers time (everyone who works on CR4 has other responsibilities within GlobalSpec, which often take precedence), we do plan to change the GA/OT system. My current thought is to remove the the ability to mark other peoples comments off-topic, although self-OT will remain. We haven't discussed it in detail and just because I'm leaning in a given direction doesn't mean the full CR4 team will agree to go that way - and of course we're very open to opinions from folks who use the site as to what we should do.

As for a "humorous" vote, at one point, way back in 2005, we had a voting system that included such options as "insightful," "informative," ""interesting," "funny," and a few others. It was barely used - less so than the current model.

Simply put though, it doesn't matter what system is in place if it isn't used. And only a small percentage of comments receive votes. So go ahead and give GAs where they're warranted.

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02/06/2010 5:18 PM

Oh my, that was fast.

I stand corrected, unregistered guests cannot vote. Thank you for the clarification.

I do wish to put my two cents in about others marking a comment as OT. Presently marking another individual's comment as OT is the only method this community has to correct a wrong GA marking. (I'm thinking specifically about a recent tangent thread I made about star formation.) So as long as we can self police this community based recognition award, it will retain the meaning I get from it. (Still looking for that comp time store though. I'm now taking my tongue out of my cheek.)

Possibly the earlier system had too much flexibility to be practical. While I do love some of the warped humour many have shown here and certainly don't want to discourage it, it just doesn't seem right for a joke that has nothing to do with the original question to get the title "Good Answer." But nobady said it had to be perfect, either.

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02/07/2010 3:34 AM

Perhaps you could force a rating to an existing post, when a user posts a reply. (preview stage - must select rating)

When I create a new thread, I'm forced to pick a category for the thread to be hosted by, so it would not much different.

Presumeably when some one is replying to a post, they have an interest or a disagreement with what is being said, so it should not cause a conundrum.

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02/06/2010 4:23 PM

nick name, there's a source of error in your analysis which I've seen mentioned before in other threads about GA's. Some participants were here for several years before the GA system was introduced. They had thousands of comments to their name before there was ever a system to give a GA. So the ratio in your results and your conclusion is not correct. You will have to subtract those thousands of GA-free answers, before you can get a meaningful statistic.

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02/07/2010 12:25 AM

See my siggie below. Lately I've been following my criteria. Looks like I'm breaking the curve for you stingy types.......LOL

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02/07/2010 3:35 AM

Hey nick_name, good work.

Is it true that your statistics are based entirely on the bathtub thread?

jk

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02/07/2010 4:56 AM

uh, is this the thread where everyone who posts gets a GA?

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02/07/2010 8:35 AM

This is the thread where EVERYONE deserves a GA ... just to mess up the statistics

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02/07/2010 10:54 AM

GA. You made me laugh .........again. EW

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02/07/2010 8:03 AM

GA's are given in most cases not for the quality of the answer, but just to show support, which is why so many members seem to have an issue with how GA's are given out. "friends" vote for "friends" (friends as in the cyber sense of the word not friends as in the realy world)

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02/07/2010 8:53 AM

Please Sir: May I have another?

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02/08/2010 12:56 AM

to him to asks, it shall be given. one GA from me!

if you'd really take a step back and consider the way GAs are given in this forum, you could just think of them as "high fives" and smiles thrown your way.

let's not think of them as any other thing, even if in truth, *there are* times when we post a reply that we've really thought of very well, and *expect* a GA for it. those are just expressions of the basic human need of peer acceptance and enforcing self-worth.

in the light of that, there's really need to quarrel. any one is free to disagree without being disagreeable.

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02/07/2010 1:31 PM

The thing that sort of seems odd is apparently I am the second highest average GA person here so far yet I am one who by nature thinks that peer based ratings systems are usually useless and often times greatly sceewed.

My getting a honest GA is Okay so maybe I have earned most of them but still some times what I see that I got a GA just makes me go WTF? How the hell did that even get considered for it?

But apparently some here do take their GA rating seriously being I tend to get a few nasty and or rude PM's from some at presently unnamed members over my posts in threads where I got a GA for a something basic and they got nothing for a long drawn out scientific rework of basically what I said in the first place. GO figure.

But for those who felt the need to GA me, thanks! If nothing else you are making some other members here far more jealous than you realize! (Or maybe you do realize.)

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02/07/2010 2:02 PM

Touche'

Oh and since you don't agree with them, I'm not giving you a GA. Nyah Nyah Ne Nyah Na.

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02/07/2010 2:28 PM

I think perhaps you have a singular way with words that more people connect with, combined with technical insight. I give a lot of ga's to guys like you, ed, blink, etc, because they clearly state the case and provide a good problem solving critical thinking regimen. That is what we are on an engineering discussion group for, n'est pas?

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02/07/2010 2:46 PM

Correct it is n'est-ce pas? as is it not?

n'est pas? has not the it

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02/07/2010 4:39 PM

thank you.

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02/07/2010 5:10 PM

Maybe your GA numbers would go up if you just stuck to simple words from one language you where almost good at.

It seems to work for me.

If have to Google a word to figure it out no GA from me!

And then if it turns out its spelled wrong on top of that?

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02/07/2010 6:09 PM

lol..

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02/07/2010 4:57 PM

Why are you bringing up a subject that you don't want to be discussed anymore? That seems counterproductive.

In your statistics, did you consider that some of us had over 1000 posts before the GA system started? Someone said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics".

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02/08/2010 3:54 AM

You are correct, its like having an argument with your partner, he/she says "I don't want to talk about it" and then spends the next two hours talking about it. WTF.

I would give you a GA but I am only a lowly Guest.

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02/08/2010 8:41 AM

I accept the fact that GA are not from the start of participation. I came too late so that as far as I remember GA were already "in" so that I was not aware of it.

I want to eliminate the error in interpretation of data : the statistics I do are not lies since they are not political statistics. If data are wrong then a correction is needed.

So please tell me, StandardsGuy, from the 1211 participations you have up to now how many thousands do I have to take off ? (fractions of thousands are also accepted).

In the sample following have more 1950 participations and could have been active before changes.

May I kindly ask every one from the list to estimate how much has to be deducted ?

I would sincerely appreciate this help for a serious and consistent result.

Chris Leonard
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chrisg 288
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John DG
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Andy Germany
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If anybody not in the sample has a possibility to make same estimation actual number of comments and how many were made before the apparition of GAs this will help to make a better overall estimation and give more reliability to results.

I am sure that the trend will be same, only possible change can be power function's exponent.

Thanks in advance,

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02/08/2010 9:30 AM

I can't remember, but I had 600 posts or so before the program started.. but for sure all my GA's have come after the program. I mean, nobody went through my old posts and reassigned any. (but there is still hope as I assign them where I see value, old or new doesn't matter)

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02/08/2010 10:30 AM

I thought that you wanted to stop the ongoing discussions about GA's . You seem to be the only one banging on about GA's. May I kindly suggest that you get another hobby as this one is clearly not working out for you.

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02/08/2010 12:47 PM

I have the feeling that you are NOT a guest but a participant not having the courrage to use his name when he makes such unpolite comments.

I believe to know who you are but not being sure I will not say anything.

To use what Lynlynch said : "You do not like this forum then either you go to another or open your own"!

From another point of view, who ever you are, what I want is to give a correct result and if you read with attention my OP (of course it is not in a perfect english but with a slight effort you will understand) you may pearhaps notice that the scope was to demonstrate that GAs have no value.

It is a problem of the value one gives to his work, may be you despise your own work so that you prefer to deliver a mess, I do not so that if I notice an error which was neither wished nor intended I consider as my duty to correct it.

And last but not least if you look at my different participations you will notice that I have not as you write a "GAs hobby".

A last question if you are not interested in GAs discussion why do you let yourself be informed of new comments? There is a greek word to name such an attitude.

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02/08/2010 4:45 PM

I think GA's were already causing trouble when I joined in 2008.

Admin should be able to tell us the cut-off date.

Once again, too much emphasis on the GA. Whoever likened it to a high five has it right, I believe. (But, no GA)

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02/09/2010 7:26 PM

Being in the standards business, accuracy is important to me, so I refuse to guess. Besides, I don't care about your lies statistics. Chris may be able to give you the "information" you seek.

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02/09/2010 9:22 PM

huh? is that an jab?

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02/10/2010 7:22 AM

I'd like to help, but I honestly can't remember.

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02/09/2010 2:08 AM

Once upon a time there was a CR4 poster who had a 100% GA rating. This may be a record.

Alas, his/her rating plummeted to 50% on the next post.

This is called "regression toward the mean."

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I qualified for that status. I 'm still regressing.

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02/09/2010 10:31 AM

I've met a couple of those mean people... reported one of them to admin.

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02/09/2010 12:05 PM

Because (probably), his very first post was GA, and next was not. ha ha ha ha

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02/09/2010 12:24 PM

I recall having that on some air conditioning thread I first posted on I think.

My second post may have also received a GA rating but being I dont really never cared I never paid much attention until now.

Seems to me there is certainly some strong GA envy issues with a few members though.

Have tough times made a few loose their health insurance and thusly their prescription OCD meds as well?

I am half temped to just start commenting on everything of no relevance just so my GA average number drops off, just so some people will quit whining about it so much.

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02/09/2010 3:01 AM

There is another limitation that sometimes skews GA ratings: apparently the system gets saturated from time to time, and the message appears, "You (or someone else on the network) has done this operation too many times...."

At that point, no one is getting GAs, no matter how well deserved.

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02/09/2010 5:56 AM

This thread shows why the GA system does not work as intended (emphasis on "intended"). I would suggest that 90% or possibly more of the GA's given (except mine of course) had nothing to do with how informative or useful the post was (my posts were both informative, useful and funny, just like this one ). In most cases a GA was given just to wind nick name up - you all know who you are.

This thread will skew the lovely diagram produced by nick name so far that it will be even more useless and less interesting than it currently is - yes this sounds harsh and hurtful but does anyone actually disagree (nick name you are not allowed to answer)?

As a matter of interest has any thread in the history of CR4 generated more GA's? I personally do not recall any. Now in keeping with this, how about a couple of GA's for this post - come on, you know you want to because it will wind nick name up and drive his chart off the wall.

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02/09/2010 6:34 AM

So NN was right you are one who hides under the "guest" nickname. (Oh sorry I used this word you do not like).

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02/09/2010 8:11 AM

Stop hiding under the guise of "Guest" and register you coward . Be a "REAL" man/ woman and register, make friends and live happily ever after.

Does anyone else find Guests annoying? I know that I do. Maybe we should revisit that thread AGAIN .

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02/09/2010 9:37 AM

Stop beating up on yourselves.

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02/09/2010 10:29 AM

there are certainly more GA's than this in one thread. I think on the shipping container thread I have more than this myself, especially if you include the 'almost'

My own opinion is that they are fun and I continue to hand them out. What is a real indicator of value to me is a response. If I say something and it begets a thorough discussion of the issues, I think it worked to stimulate minds. If I get no response, then of course I just think that I have put it all to rest and there are no more questions...

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02/10/2010 12:41 PM

In most cases a GA was given just to wind nick name up - you all know who you are.

Not entirely --- Go back and read response #10. Of course I know who I am, I make no bones about it and I willingly and openly present myself.. I believe I was largely instrumental in the proliferation of GA's on this topic. I gave the GA's because the cited responses made me laugh. That's my criteria. Read my signature again so you understand my position.

BTW I really didn't intend to pull nickname's chain.

If you don't like my GA criteria then feel free to apply your flames to that issue and perhaps even try to influence CR-4 administration to set hard and fast rules for GA ratings. Meantime I believe laughter is good and that which produces laughter in me is a good answer.

I haven't yet felt an impulse to laugh at the post to which I am herein responding. But I sense some emotion in that direction. Shall I go back and reread Guest's comment?

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02/11/2010 5:25 PM

GA to you.

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02/09/2010 2:34 PM

Everyone (almost) ENJOYS presenting others with the GA. Example: 44 responses to the thread . . . 48 GAs awarded. Are we a bunch of appreciative people, or what?

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02/09/2010 4:45 PM

Your stats are biased against long-term members. Some members already had posts numbering in the thousands by the time the GA feature was added. CR4 did not start out with this feature. It was added later.

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02/09/2010 6:03 PM

Why not read the thread next time before offering your brilliant input.

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02/11/2010 9:58 AM

Nickname,

It seems you are trying out some R&D on G.A statistics. To me the G.A means the following.

*An answer of relevance and real understanding of the problem.

*Possible exposure or experience or spotting similarities.

*A convincing and a pleasant answer appealing to most viewers.

*Participative reference to other posts and views.

*Gentle and non hurting wordings.

*Scientific evidence and reference.

*Uniqueness and speciality of the answers amid st common expressions.

*How educative or knowledge sharing or frank the answer could be?

* How neutral and unbiased it is of?

* Better survival against off-topic voting.

* Views and counter comments by expert members to the field.

* Ideas and smart solutions.

* Concern and hands of support in solving other's problems.

* The other main criteria is calculated postings, where one has a sound relevance and sure to hit the bull's eye[ a G.A]

*Not the least but more worthiest of all is the GENEROSITY OF OTHER MEMBERS TO VOTE ON POSTS.

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02/12/2010 2:10 PM

"I want once for ever stop the different discussions about GA and the way they can be interpreted."

So naturally, to accomplish that you start a discussion about GA.

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10/26/2010 11:44 AM

Is is possible for one person to register several times (be 3 separate members) and mark his/her replies as GA under the registration of a different account?

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10/26/2010 12:26 PM

I suppose that's possible. But it seems to me to be an unlikely scenario. Whatever, I don't think I'll ever test that possibility unless it is to go back and mark one of my own posts as off topic. I think the kind of self centeredness that would motivate a person to give himself GA's runs counter to the very characteristic that makes most of us participate here. That is, the desire to help others.

Still, most of us have at least some other motivations to participate here. For me it's the desire to improve my writing skills and the way I express myself. GA's are a valuable scorekeeper to that purpose. However, the ability to express myself with some brevity seems to elude me. My wife frequently reminds me of that.

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10/26/2010 12:48 PM

lol.

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10/27/2010 1:32 AM

Well said Ed

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