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Fan and Pump Calculations for Cooling Systems

03/01/2010 5:01 AM

I am calculating about cooling sysrerm internal combustion engineer, but i haven't found documents for caculate fan and pump? you can indicate me documents to caculate or choice fan and pump in cooling sysrerm internal combustion engineer? Thank you very much.

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03/01/2010 6:01 AM

That was rather vague, but we can get a start on it at least. For an IC engine, about 1/3 of the energy goes to mechanical output, 1/3 to the water cooling system, and 1/3 out the exhaust. Because of variations, we might assume 40% to the radiator. A reasonable ΔT for water through the radiator might be 10°C (18°F). Using your customary units, calculate how much water flow you need (at this assumed ΔT or other assumption) to equal 40% of the energy/time value of the fuel. Reasonable water pressure drop through the system would be around 10 psi (23.1 feet ≈ 7 m head). To be on the safe side, we might say 10 m (≈ 33 feet ≈ 14 psi) of head. (But this will depend on the radiator.) Combining this head and the required flow will give you the pump selection.

For air flow, a similar calculation is made. The specific heat of air is 0.24, and in a warm engine room it weighs about 0.075 lb/ft3. With this information you can determine the required air flow. Depending once again on the radiator, and any air ducting involved, determine the static pressure at which the fan must operate. Then select a fan (and its rpm) that meets the combined air flow and pressure requirements.

That's pretty abstract, but without data, c'est la vie. Good luck! [By the way, it should be "system", not "sysrerm"--Editor Crankshaft]

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03/01/2010 6:29 AM

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03/01/2010 7:56 AM

Thanks!

By the way, I tried a postal experiment a month or so ago. Keying off your "In the bothy..." description, and off the delight in receiving a postcard, I wrote a short letter, addressing it exactly as your avatar describes (and apologising to the posties for being a bit cryptic). I guess it hasn't arrived.

Here in the US, Games magazine had a thing going for a while in which puzzle answers were mailed in in gaudily decorated envelopes with wild fonts, some of which took pretty close looking to decipher. But the US Post usually rose to the occasion. In some places in Alaska, we have neither street mailboxes nor Post Office boxes, but mail pouches, which are chucked into bush-pilot planes and then just handed around among the locals.

As an extreme fantasy of this, there is a legend of the "mail buoy", supposedly a place in the Bering Sea where mail can be dropped off for pickup by crab-fishing boats. I once played along with this gag and slyly asked, "Oh yeah? What is the ZIP code for that? [ZIP = Zone Improvement Plan; no kidding.]

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03/01/2010 11:30 AM

Do you have a book which to talk about Calculate fan and pump in cooling system internal combustion engineer? you send to me. thanks.

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03/01/2010 10:54 PM

Replying to Minhchau and Doorman:

I'm afraid I don't have a book on this. That was off the top of my head, from lots of bits and pieces of information/data I have picked up over the years. My main field is ammonia refrigeration, and all that goes with it. That brings in fans, pumps, electrical controls, pipefitting, a bit of thermodynamics, etc. I have a dab of experience with engines, boilers, UL-508 control panel design, and hydraulics (former chief engineer on crab catching/processing boat with some of all this stuff.)

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03/01/2010 11:43 PM

You state "former chief engineer on crab catching/processing boat "

And you don't know the zip code of the mail buoy? for shame.

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03/02/2010 2:02 AM

Probably 99999.

(The highest other one I know of is 99929 Wrangell.)

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03/01/2010 2:23 PM

GA, Tornado.

Hey, would you send me a book, too?

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