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Use of 60 Hz m/cs on 50 Hz system

03/06/2010 12:30 PM

We are in the process of getting a lot of MV induction motors as part of equipment supplies by an overseas company. All their induction are designed for 460V/ 60Hz, which we in India need to operate at 415V/ 50 Hz. I have two questions: (a) what are the major issues in running these directly on our 50Hz system and (b) if indeed there is any issue (say like saturation etc), what's the most sound techno-commercial approach to the problem.

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Re: Use of 60 Hz m/cs on 50 Hz system

03/06/2010 1:14 PM

As long as the V/f is maintained constant, the motor stator laminations / core is safe.

Speed ofcourse is going to be lower as it is proportional to frequency.

Torque is proportional to square of V and hence will be lower.

Motor cooling will be lower as the shaft mounted fan is going o run at lesser speed. Hence, temperature rise of the motor will be higher and may call for derating.

That's all I can think of with my limited knowldge of motors.

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Re: Use of 60 Hz m/cs on 50 Hz system

03/06/2010 2:55 PM

This is one of the common questions asked in CR4. There is a very good general discussion on this topic in thread http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/33399. Hope you will find the required information.

Here is the summary of this discussion:

In order to keep the flux within limits, a linear V/F ratio must be maintained. If the frequency is reduced by 10%, the voltage must also be reduced by 10%. Since the flux remains the same, the torque capacity remains same and thus the power rating of the motor also drops by same %. Provided the voltage is dropped by the same proportion as the frequency, it is OK to run a 60Hz motor on 50Hz. The speed will be reduced by the reduction in frequency and the power capacity will also reduce by the reduction in frequency.

Maintaining V/f (voltage / frequency) will maintain same magnetic flux. However due to 17% reduction in frequency (50/60)

- The motor turns 17% slower.

- The internal current goes up by 17% to maintain the same flux.

- The power (watt) goes down by 17 %

- The mechanical cooling is less, because of 17% less rotation of fan.

- The result is a higher current, than designed and the insulation of the electrical wiring deteriorate much quicker, unable to dissipate the heat, which after sometime results in a burn-out.

- MS

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03/06/2010 10:46 PM

Many thanks MS for the prompt response. The various technical issues relating to use of 60 Hz machines on 50 Hz system are well explained. But my real question is what is the most techno-commercially viable option if i were to use the machines without sacrificing on the speed, flow rate, head etc of the original machines. Would a VVVF or say a FCMA (flux controlled magnetic amplifier) ensure that and if so what spec do I draw up for these?

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03/09/2010 7:35 PM

Most of the problems are burnt windings, due to less everything, just about 17-20 % of what you can expect from a 60 Hz net. Heat dissipation will keep you busy replacing these. A frequency converter 50 to 60 may help.

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03/10/2010 12:20 AM

Thank you all for your responses.........the answer to my fundamental question, however, is still elusive....and that is:- is there a techno-commecrially sensible solution that will allow me to have the same Head/Flow/Throughput of the driven machines if I were to use the 60 Hz drive motors on 50 Hz system. Any specific charecteristic VVVF drive or FCMA (Flux conterolled mag amp) etc? Shall look forward to some help on these lines.

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02/14/2023 6:29 AM

No, there isn't.

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