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"0.50in" or ".50in" in drawings

03/13/2010 12:13 AM

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This forum is dedicated to discussion of all things mechanical. And we are talking about the difference between "0.50in" and ".50in" (if there is ) and some members there are wondering if it is specified in standards or specifications. I know there are some ,but as to the detailed infomormation, i think it is beoynd the responsibility of us translators.

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Re: "0.50in" or ".50in" in drawings

03/13/2010 12:19 AM

ASME Y14.5-2009:

1.6.2 Decimal Inch Dimensioning

The following shall be observed where specifying decimal inch dimensions on drawings:

(a) A zero is not used before the decimal point for values less than 1 in.

(b) ............

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03/13/2010 12:23 AM

But, on the other hand .........

1.6.1 Millimeter Dimensioning

The following shall be observed where specifying millimeter dimensions on drawings:

(a) Where the dimension is less than one millimeter, a zero precedes the decimal point. See Fig. 1-4.

(b) ...

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Re: "0.50in" or ".50in" in drawings

03/13/2010 12:28 AM

Hi wingman1985,

There is no difference between "0.50in" and ".50in". It is a matter of preference. Some people feel it is proper to include the zero - "0.50in" (I am one of these people). Other, lazy people, do not choose to include it. In any case, it does not change the number of significant figures.

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03/13/2010 1:05 AM

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems with standards is that they seldom tell the rationale behind them. Admittedly this has the advantage of shortening the documents, but it is irritating when no explanation is given for counterintuitive provisions.

I like the leading zero, as in the mm standard. I wonder why the ASME standard omits it. A leading decimal point might be obscure, especially in hand-written dimensions. Leading with a digit should make this less likely.

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03/13/2010 1:25 AM

During old school days we were taught about this aspect. We were told that the decimal should never be the left most character.

The reason was simple

It is possible to misread .50 as 50

However one does not misinterpret 0.50 as 050 or 05.0 since in either case the leading zero shouldn't have been there.

It also may be noted the slight space created by the decimal character, which will be negated in case it is left-most or right most (where it does not matter anyway)

This was later extrapolated into scientific notation where the decimal should exist after the leftmost significant digit.

People may be reluctant to write 0.50 as 5.0E-1 though.

Why ASME has given that notation I am not sure, may be just to maintain it's identity/ difference , as I have seen in quite a few ASME standards where logics fail., (and without being biased, it does exist in ISO too)

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03/13/2010 9:23 AM

Let me start off with the pedantic part. It should be 0.50 in not 0.50in. The space is required.

I worked a number of years in bioengineering and learned to use the standard medical conventions. As long as there are photocopying machines that are capable of adding extraneous dots, use a leading zero. You might well find an extra 20 dots on a typical page (if you haven't had the platen cleaned recently) and it's possible to misunderstand .5 as 5. It is not easy to misunderstand 0.5 as 05.

In drafting, ISO uses the zero, ANSI doesn't. I always add it and let people complain if they want.

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03/13/2010 1:09 PM

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03/13/2010 2:07 PM

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03/16/2010 2:15 PM

ANSI/ASME Y-14.5 as well as DoD MIL-STD-1000 Used to require the use of the leading zero in order to make sure the decimal point is indeed a decimal point and not a speck of dirt or other inadvertent mark. Frankly they are idiots for removing the requirement. Also the number of digits behind the decimal point is important as it defines the tolerance allowed for that dimension. it also requires that all decimal points use a period, not a comma. You Europeans take note Commas are NOT TO BE USED FOR DECIMAL POINTS.

Yes, this IS a translator's job to know.

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